Hear me out for a minute: Floyd would beat Sugar Ray Robinson

This guy is an utter clown and has you guys goin good. Your really waistin time on the troll.

 

I guess you missed the part where I said "bigger". That should clear things up.

As far as Margarito?:rofl

As far as Cotto? He'd have to box all night, otherwise he's in danger of being simply outdone and hurt in close.

Put the pressure on him, as Pavlik would be more than happy to stay in range. On the inside, he takes away Pavlik's range finders and use of his long arms to generate power. Pressure fighters are hell for guys like that, especially indefatiguable ones with iron chins like Fullmer. It's not like I'm saying he'd outbox him.

Basilio and Fullmer also had very good power and stamina, as well as durability. Another thing you fail to realize is that Armstrong was well smaller than both of these fighters, especially as a WW compared to Basilio. Armstrong was no speed demon by the way. He had good handspeed with his workrate, but in terms of footwork and overall speed, definitely no big advantages on a guy like Basilio.

Fullmer and LaMotta were both naturally bigger than Robinson, as were the majority of the MW's he faced. Someone like Basilio was the same size.

Explain this in depth. It makes no sense. You gave no reasons why the wouldn't be able to impose themselves or why Mayorga was successful. Reach is useless when you throw wide, winging shots as Mayorga did.

Why would it neccessarily? A fight between Fullmer and Pavlik could go Pavlik's way if Pavlik didn't rely on creating space to generate power, but he does. He doesn't throw short, compact punches like Robinson did.

Basilio is a stronger pressure fighter than Cotto, although he's not as technical, nor as good a boxer from the outside. Interesting fight, but at his own game Cotto gets outdone.

What you're failing to realize when I compared Basilio to Hatton were all the other variables I threw into it, such as size, strength, skill, etc. Hatton is basically a Lite version of Basilio. Very Lite.

 

Mayweather had better defense than Robinson yes, Robinson was never known as a defensive genius, but rather an offensive one. I've always considered him a perfect example of the phrase "the best defense is a good offense".

Yes, he was past his prime when he lost to them, but not shot yet. He still was the same stylistically, and obviously packed just as good a punch to be able to KO iron-jawed Fullmer, he just wasn't the athlete he used to be. And are you speaking of his lay-off after the Maxim fight? He had plenty of tune-ups leading up to the fights with Basilio and Fullmer.

 

Pav's got a very good jab and it's a very educated one...but what about over all speed and reflexes...not to mention the supreme Defense that was Armstrongs greatest asset? That would definitly make it hard for the taller and slower guy to fing his mark.

Pav would have to work his jab and work off his jab throwing punches in bunches to control the pace. But for a bigger guy it's hard to throw so many puches.

Stamina isn't really a factor for Pav b/c the guy is very conditioned but the more you MISS...the more energy it takes. Pav would be punching DOWN which he is not use to making it harder to be accurate.

 

From what I've seen Floyd is not stronger or faster than Robinson. When Robinson was around Floyd's age he was already fighting at middleweight. Robinson had every advantage over Floyd such as speed, height, power. Today's training techniques and supplements are overrated as proven by a lot of today's fighters. I can't logically see a way that Floyd beats Robinson.

 

Lamotta was great with working the body! Those leaping left hooks were being landed in the Championship rounds after a brutal fight where Robinson was BANGING with Jake.....Robinson is a boxer but like a Erik Morales his fighters instinct sometimes got the better of him when he was hit and hurt. Banging with a Jake Lamotta isn't in anyones best interest. He'll eat 5 punches to land one of his own and one punch from Jake was like a "two peice"

 

He had very good "D"....his mentality was more the reason for his "lack of D". But no doubt Ray was a OFFENSIVE Minded fighter.

 

Typical boxrec ranger. atsch


You're basically talking **** about fighters you've never seen and are only basing what you say on their win/loss. Not that it needed to be shown, but this clearly shows you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

 

Well then I am a little thrown by the thread title. You have since changed your mind?

May I ask why?

 

um Roy Jones Jr?:huh

 

You must have been drunk to post that.

 

I hope you realize how stupid it is to make statements like that w/o ever seeing them fight. You know nothing about any of those fighters, yet make comments like you do. :-(