Hearn: "If Fury gets tonked out by Wilder, the Joshua fight will never happen"

It's all good man, i love you, we're here to discuss boxing and not to argue on a personal level.

I don't have any agenda, Ortiz showed against a similar level of opponents that he is better than Parker, not
only Cojanu, he dismantled every opponent he has ever faced except for Wilder whereas Parker struggled.

Ortiz also looks considerably better than Parker on the eye test, if you disagree it's ok for me.

Wilder is a special case, because we all know that he is not the best boxer from a skill perspective, he just has
immense power and physical attributes which makes him able to beat any heavyweight on the planet.

We need to judge Ortiz and Parker on skills because they both are fundamentally sound fighters and Ortiz looks
superior to me, also Ortiz has more power than Parker which also makes him more formidable.

 

How?

 

I don't actually believe i've argued seriously than Parker is better than Ortiz......
Just that Ortiz hasn't proved himself to be a level above Parker.

Ortiz/Parker haven't had a win over a serious contender.
Whyte has.

I don't argue that Ortiz > Parker, or Parker > Ortiz......

I do think that Whyte > Ortiz and Parker though - He's actually beat a challenger.

 

I know this has been done to death and i know ive sided with AJ and Hearn throughout but i try to remain a realist at all time and ive pretty much listened to both sides and Eddie Hearn is making much more sense than Finkel or Wilder. Unless all he has just said is complete lies how can there be any confusion about which side wants and which side doesnt want this fight.

 

Because Chisora got a victory inside 12 against undefeated Scott.....
Ortiz couldn't KO Scott.....

Ignoring that, because it doesn't fit your agenda, is double standards.

 

There's zero reason to flat out refuse a fight in April.

Enough said.

 

I don't have any agenda , im neutral across the board.

Scott took rounds off Chisora before he wilted mentally under the pressure. He didn't make any efforts whatsoever to box or win against Ortiz and ran away from the opening bell. But he did try for the first 6 round to beat Chisora and im pretty sure he was ahead at the time of stoppage.
Thats all there is to it.

 

Chisora KO'd Scott
Ortiz UD'd Scott

That's that.

'Comparitive Performances' generally mean nothing.

Demetrice King > Deontay Wilder?

 

They still have a signed contract full of all the things they had once agreed to and if they really dont like it, which is fair enough, Hearn says contact them, tell him and they will see what can be done about it. He may be hard to budge much on the contract but its more promising than not replying to emails and cancelling meetings and refusing to talk about it.

 

When you compare performances against a similar opponent you don't compare the result of the fight, you compare how it came to the result and how the fighters looked in that fight, that can make sense to a certain
degree, comparing results doesn't make sense.

 

Can you recall Finkle having issues with Hearn when working with K2 around the Joshua fight?

Me neither.....

Wilder's fans need to start blaming Wilder's team, not Hearn.

 

But you did compare results when looking at Cojanu and Ortiz/Parker.

You didn't mention that Cojanu was a late replacement for Hughie Fury.
You didn't mention that Cojanu had spent the whole camp sparring with Parker.
You didn't mention that Cojanu was Parker's main sparring partner for his fight against Dimitrenko.

 

No ,because Wilder beat Ortiz and he's better than King. Demetrius King doesn't have better wins than Wilder therefore is not >>> than him... Get it?

 

I didn't compare results.

You will certainly agree with me that Ortiz looked more impressive against Cojanu than Parker, don't you ?

Sparring partner or not, Cojanu is a bum for a lack of a better word and Parker looked very average against him
whereas Ortiz did what he was supposed to do and easily dismantled him with counterpunching and subsequently
knocked him out with one punch, that's what a top 5 heavyweight does against bums.

Cojanu being sparring partner for Parker is not an excuse for going the full distance with such an inferior opponent.

 

Wilder doesn't have better wins than Joshua......Therefore is not >>> than him.

Ortiz doesn't have better wins than Whyte......Therefore is not >>> than him.


Just stop....None of this is relevant ffs.