Hearn/Joshua and Finkel/Wilder comically overplayed their hands

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  1. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Joshua is doing just fine right now, dominating victory over a guy who nearly TKOed Fury, still in the driving seat for future big fights, Parker rematch, Whyte, Hrgovic, Zhang, could probably even still make money with a Wilder fight (though Wilder won't make much bank).

    Wilder of course is in the lowest position he's ever been in as a pro, coming off an embarrassing loss, rapidly reaching the end of his athletic prime, zero negotiating power, and the Joshua fight very much up to Joshua if he wants to take it.

    There's only one loser here after tonight, and it isn't Anthony Joshua.
     
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  2. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    "a novice boxer"

    Ngannou started boxing in his early 20's, as did 8 years boxing experience Rahman when he starched Lewis with one shot, as did 10 years boxing experience Puritty when he ground Wlad down.

    It was obvious that Ngannou was more dangerous than many name boxers, I was saying this before the fight. I never bought into the silly narrative that Ngannou would lose to Dave Allen or whoever. Neither did the "experts", who made Ngannou a far lesser underdog than many other contenders have been and would have been.

    "Wilder ducked the fight"

    If anything both sides were ducking the fight and there are a litany of quotes from Joshua and the Hearns proving it. It was regarded as an extremely dangerous fight for Joshua that they wanted to put off as long as possible, partly to grow the fight, partly to age/wear the 4 years older Wilder out. Ideally Wilder would lose to someone like Whyte and they wouldn't have to fight him.
     
  3. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    "He never ducked."

    Incorrect:

    [url]https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/joshua%E2%80%99s-consistent-ducking-of-wilder-and-the-wilder-whyte-wbc-saga-explained.711576/[/url]

    "He got more for Usyk 2"

    He got two losses for his trouble and his career/brand seriously damaged, in addition to the worst defeat of all time vs Ruiz which also obliterated his credibility/brand. They had the chance to fight Wilder for massive money but took three rehab fights instead, trying to rebuild AJ while further aging Wilder out, letting him pile up more inactivity and wear. Their greed and cynicism backfired big time.
     
  4. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Two fatties in 2018 Fury and Andy Ruiz Jr. destroyed their plans. I'm sure in 2017 it looked like the coast was clear, but Wilder and Joshua were never good enough to hold it all down long enough to let greedy promoters decide "marination" was complete.

    Good thing though. I don't think I could stomach decades of posts going on about how AJ and Lewis were the h2h goats.
     
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  5. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Another irony: If Joshua had fought and beat Wilder, he would have probably got fights with Fury too. And Fury wouldn’t have been able to “steal” the Wilder fights from him!
     
  6. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are absolutely right that the over marination of the fight was similar to Mayweather vs Pacquiao. But, unlike Mayweather vs Pacquiao, Wilder and Joshua werent good enough to keep winning and keep the fans interested.

    The Joshua/Wilder situation is extremely similar to the Bowe and Lewis situation in the 90s.
     
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  7. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Pacquaio lost two fights during the 5 year delaying period, one by stone cold KO. I think this fact made both sides confident that even if their guy lost a couple of times, there would still be similar shine on the matchup. But both sides were overconfident even there, with both fighters losing three times, with three combined KO losses!
     
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  8. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ya but Mayweather stayed undefeated and Pacquiao was still top 5 p4p when the fight with Mayweather happened
     
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