Hearn on Fury’s case

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  1. Chuck Wepner

    Chuck Wepner Member Full Member

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    I can see what you mean regarding the "elevated levels" they were told that the readings were high but carried on doing what they were doing as they hadn't been charged. this is why they have reportedly failed loads of tests because they weren't charged the first time. The more you think about it the worse it looks for UKAD, Tyson and Hughie. It's more unbelievable than the wild boar excuse.
     
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  2. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Where did you hear they failed 4 times ?
    I can't remember that being in the UKAD report/statement.
     
  3. pow

    pow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Reported where? Please provide a source to back up your claims. All tests prior to and after the failed test where negative.

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    Here is the statement from UKAD about the case. It even states ' elevated levels ' and makes no mention of the subsequent failed tests you mention.

    " Taking into account that no adverse analytical findings or adverse passport findings were reported in respect of any of the urine and/or blood samples collected from either boxer after February 2015 (including from Tyson Fury on 11 May 2015, 16 July 2015, 8 October 2015, 17 October 2015, 11 November 2015, 13 July 2016, and 4 May 2017; and from Hughie Fury on 11 May 2015, 25 July 2015, 8 October 2015, 17 October 2015, 14 November 2015, 18 July 2016, 29 September 2016, 18 February 2017, 19 April 2017, 8 August 2017, 29 August 2017, and 23 September 2017"
     
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  4. Chuck Wepner

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    Sunday Times.

     
  5. Unforgiven

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    Cut and paste the relevant part of the article, please.
    I can't read the whole thing without subscribing to The Times.
     
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  6. Chuck Wepner

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    The story stretches back to February 2015. On the 28th of that month Fury stopped Christian Hammer at London’s O2 arena. A week before, his cousin Hughie had beaten Andriy Rudenko in Monte Carlo. After in-competition tests conducted by Ukad, both Furys showed suspiciously high levels of the banned steroid, nandrolone.

    Also known by its trade name Deca-Durabolin, nandrolone has long been a popular performance-enhancing drug. As it can be produced naturally by the body, its detection depends on the level of metabolites found in a sample. If it exceeds two nanograms per millilitre of urine, a high-resolution mass spectrometry test is conducted to show whether metabolites were endogenous (produced by the body) or exogenous (caused by external consumption).

    From the beginning, the case was difficult. Ukad felt it needed follow-up tests. Over the following months it conducted four tests on each fighter. In the second and third tests, both were over the threshold. The fourth and fifth rounds of testing showed decreased levels, the fourth marginally over the threshold, the fifth just under.

    By then, Ukad was convinced the Furys had a case to answer. In June 2016, 16 months after the initial positive tests, the anti-doping agency filed charges against the fighters.

    There were understandable reasons for the delay. More difficult for the anti-doping body to explain was their failure to keep the Furys informed they were under investigation. Had they done so, the fighters would have been better able to prepare their defence. They filed a motion to have the case dismissed but this was rejected by the Ukad panel.

    A positive test for an anabolic steroid customarily results in a four-year ban. For the Furys the stakes were high. Their defence centred on two potential explanations for the elevated nandrolone levels: contaminated supplements or the consumption of significant amounts of intact or uncastrated wild boar. They assigned more weight to the boar defence: it has been proven that eating intact wild boar can cause a 24 to 48-hour spike in nandrolone levels. More than that, they were able to produce evidence that the fighters had been eating wild boar.

    In Tyson Fury’s case this was a sworn statement from Carefoot, who stated that he supplied the Furys with uncastrated wild boar every “three to six weeks”. Hughie Fury was in France at the time of his positive test and had a statement from a French witness that he had consumed wild boar before his fight with Rudenko.
     
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  7. Unforgiven

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    Interesting.
    So, if this article is correct (and I'm assuming it must be, because The Times has some standards to safeguard themselves from making blatantly libellous statements), it seems UKAD has lied or misled with its own statements when it 'settled' the case previously, since they imply there was one failed test and they highlighted a load of other tests that showed clean that year.
     
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  8. Chuck Wepner

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    I can't pretend to understand what kind of crap has happened here and nobody looks good in this scenario. However if it is true that they failed multiple tests then this changes everything about how Tyson and Hughie's drugs bans are going to be viewed.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    I'll be honest, when I saw how Tyson and Hughie were doing their 'weight-training' workouts in 2015 when Peter was in charge of everything, I was shocked at how amateurish and undisciplined they were. Their form and focus on the weights machines was laughable, they looked like school kids who had never been showed how to use the things properly. So it wouldn't surprise me if they went and used some Deca (nandrolone) like a couple of dumb 'gym bros' and got themselves caught multiple times.
     
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  10. moog

    moog Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I remember Peter Fury saying in an old interview that UKAD notified them by email of elevated levels but that they had not failed tests. Just to be careful of what they eat. They liaised with UKAD, changed Tyson and Hughies diet completely after the advice. They then never heard nothing back until a long time later after Tyson won the world title to say they had failed the test (one that was initially just elevated levels but not a failed test).

    It's weird how after Tyson Fury gets to the top of the world twice that people suddenly weaponize and resufurce about bans. It's like they are trying to stop him fighting someone.
     
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  11. Chuck Wepner

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    What is weird is how a fighter can reportedly fail four steroid tests, serve no ban and people still think he is the victim.
     
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  12. moog

    moog Boxing Addict Full Member

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    4 tests. You are living in fantasy land.
     
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  13. tee_birch

    tee_birch Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It’s impossible to prove or disprove. This Farmer has no credibility - that is evident.

    Fury has been tested and tested and tested for Kiltchko and Wilder and passed all of them, seems a bit of a non story to me. Someone trying to line their pockets because of his success.

    One thing the UK media love doing more than anything is knocking someone down when they are doing well. That sting operation they did on a Big Sam when he was managing England - can’t think of any other country where there would do that to their national team.
     
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  14. TonyHayers

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    As I've said, nobody seriously thinks Tyson isn't a drug cheat. They just like Tyson, wish he wasn't a drug cheat, and will indulge in whataboutery to try and obfuscate.

    It's always been suspicious that Tyson went from punching himself in the face and flapping around getting dropped by Cunningham to all time great unbeatable legend so suddenly. The fact that in between the two he failed a drug test adds a few questions certainly.
     
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  15. pow

    pow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Here is the official conclusion from UKAD for anyone interested, there was no issue with their passport as suggested and proceedings clearly relate to one failed test.

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