Hearns - Power...

Julian Jackson, Gerald McClellan

 

Ok,and who did jackson or mclelland knock out at middleweight?
I will tell you,mclelland knocked out nobody of note (jackson was a blown up natural 154 not known for his chin.) and g-man couldnt stop benn whose chin was not the best,despite g-man landing many bombs on nigel....(Nigel was stopped by collins twice,watson and eubank...only eubank was a puncher out of these three who stopped benn,barkley who you class as a non puncher also wobbled benn.)
Jackson stopped nobody of note at 160 either and was taken the distance by thomas tate....
If you count herol graham,dennis milton,ismael negron and g-mans poor middleweight stoppage opposition as qualified to show the power of these guys then i will take roldan,schuler,andries and the wobbling of hagler as proof of hearns being a ko artist......
Compare those hearns stopped at middle with those who jackson and g-man stopped,then tell me whose opposition had more quality? Finally, how many one shot kos did g-man have at the world level?

 

So Roldan, Shuler and Andries are better opposition, eh? Ok. As for Ernie Singletary, Murray Sutherland, Doug DeWitt, James Kinchen, Michael Olajide, they all had a chin of granite, close to Chuvalo's level, and were never stopped in their career.

 

Yes roldan,andries and schuler were far better than dennis milton,ismael negron and such like....One,andries was a world champion at lt hevy and known for his durability. Roldan was a three time world title challenger,known for his durability and world ranked to fight tommy for the vacant 160 crown,and was a worthy challenger for marvins undisputed crown...Schuler was the unbeaten nabf champion and unbeaten...
Conversely dennis milton and ismael negron were not top challengers,nor known for durability,in fact they were poor on the world level,just hand picked easy pickings....You think hearns wouldnt have squashed all of g-mans and jackson poor challengers?
Finally,when you mention kinchen,olijade,de witt and others you forget to mention that some of these were decent/good fighters who were world ranked contenders (de witt was a wbo world champ.) and also for some of these fights tommy had broken hand problems....surely its not an excuse that if a guy either has a broken hand/hurt hand or is recovering from a hand injury that his punching power will suffer?
And finally,as tommy went up and after his ko loss to barkley do you not think that he planned to box more against the better opposition and use his power more to keep guys at bay,or do you expect him to try to go for the knock out/brawl with guys naturally bigger than him who could wobble him or should he use his almost infallible boxing skills to win in a more safe/sure manner? Tommy was a master boxer as well as a ko artist so he could fall back on thse things when the knockout was elusive, or where 'boxing' was more suited to wining a particular fight...In this way tommy sometimes boxed guys to get a decision and used his power to keep guys at bay/off him rather than pure seek and destroy like jackson and g-man....Tommy could fight both ways,g-man and jackson could only fight by going for the knockout....
ps; tommy also had guys to go the full distance with guys at 154 (minchillo and benitez.),in fact in world title fights at 154 he stopped only 66% of his opponents compared to 80% at world titles at welter...Does this mean he lost power at 154? No,he was at the very least the joint no 1 best single hitting 154 er in history...

 

Best hitting 154lb in history? That place belongs to Julian jackson. Only one fighter lasted the distance of all fights Julian won at 154, and that was when he was 36 years old.

 

Well i agree julian was a devastating hitter at 154 and even 160...But by your own criteria i would say he didnt really knock out any notables (maybe drayton?) and definately no greats. He also did not stop mccallum despite landing on him. (im not saying thats bad,but by your criteria it may well be.) And i dont care for only the ' only one fighter lasted the distance nonsense with him',mugabi had all 25 of his fights at 154 by knockout before he met hagler,but that doesnt mean he is automatically a bigger puncher than tommy or julian,opposition counts...
And really i feel you are being vague,whether you think julian is number one at 154 is one thing,but why dont you tell us where you rank tommy at 154 and 160 which is more relevant. Is he number two or is he again not a knockout artist according to you? You dont really address my points in my posts and you dont really give objective reasons for your views...

 

Jackson was consistent in that if he won the fight, 99% it was a win by KO. With Hearns it wasn't so, far from it.

 

Where I rank Hearns at 154 or 160 is actually irrelevant. I'm argueing that placing Hearns at #1 P4P hardest hitter of all time is completely unreasonable, he was probably the hardest hitter at 147lb, but above this weight (154, 160 and so forth) there were punchers who hit harder than him, it's not like he's the hardest hitter at several weights.

 

Who cares if when jackson won it was a ko? If mugabi won it was invariably a ko. You didnt answer my question of where you rank hearns power at 154 and 160,come on,answer some questions....

 

Can you name any fighter wh was no 1 for power in one division and then moved up divisions and was still the no 1 hitter at the higher weights as well? Jackson was a tremendous hitter at 154 and 160....Hearns at 147,154 and 160,even if you say he wasnt at 160,then he stiil equals jackson as being tremendous at two divisions....why the double standard taking away tommys props and inflating others? G-man was only a puncher at one weight really...
And once again,its not how many you knock out,but WHO you knock out...
Who do you think was the p4p best hitter of all time senya?

 

There's the problem again. Hearns "tremendous hitter" at 160lb. The fact remains that Hearns was heavy handed at 160, but no more than that, nobody can count that weight as him being a KO artist there. He only had two divisions where he was a KO artist, 147 and 154. Julian Jackson was a harder hitter at 154 than Hearns was at 147, Jackson's 160 vs Hearns' 154 are about equal. Jackson should be ahead of Hearns in P4P hardest hitters list.

 

Well this discussion is now going round in circles about hearns' power value at 160 again...I will say seeing as hearns campaigned at a bigger range of weights and had power at even the higher weights i will say he is better in terms of retaining power in different divisions...can you imagine jackson campaigning at lt heavy? Nor can i....
Tommys opposition as a whole is also much stronger than julians,even at their respective divisions......I will say the difference is tommys power is proven against quality opposition and in many different divisions....Jackson at 154 was awesome,at 160 it looked so as as well,but who knows if he could have knocked out guys at 168 or even durable/great guys at 160????
That being said i recognise jackson as one of the all time greatest p4p one punch hitters with either hand at 154,this mainly on how he looks on film and his fight with mccallum...

 

If you say jacksons 160 was the same as hearns 154 are you saying this in a comparitive p4p way or that jackson punched as hard at 160 as tommy at 154?
And tommy at 147 p4p has no equal for one shot power at the world level....His fight with very durable pipino cuevas illustrates this abundantly.....Jackson has no comparable ko over anyone as durable p4p as this.....And thats without mentioning mr roberto.....

 

Tarver and Johnson are stiffs. The only reason people give them credit is
because they knocked out Jones. Toney was a good fighter but slightly
overated. The guy lost twice to Montell. Hopkins was Green when he fought
Jones. Let's give Clinton Mitchell credit for beating Hopkins too. Jones never knocked
out a great fighter either

 

For all of Jackson's natural snap and power, and he was a tremendous puncher, he never knocked out a Cuevas or a Duran.

Another thing to ponder. How many punchers in history have destroyed a fighter of the calibre of Roberto Duran? Not many. Here's a clue, Jackson or RJJ ain't on the list.