Hearns v Roy Jones at either 160, 168 or 175 eras for eras who wins?

No but when Tommy Hearns fought the best of his era he struggled. Cuevas was a bad man but that is not enough when you're giving up a bloody foot of reach to a knock you dead puncher with hand speed. Hearns also had an extra weight class to work with and at 147 was an absolute killer. Tommy Hearns but fight is at 160+ and Tommy Hearns was a very good middleweight. But Roy Jones was a great one, arguably top 3, easily top 5. He beat a pair of other future ATG's at the weight. Aside from Joe Calzaghe who else did you want Jones to beat?

 

Giving up a foot? Cuevas was champ and a hall of famer. And I don't think Cuevas had a 65 or 66 in reach. Probably more like 70 or 71. And Hearns knocked him out in 2.. Post 160 is more significant than below? Hearns had more great fights and more iconic wins than Roy. That is a fact regardless of anything you can say. I would have liked to have seen Jones fight Benn, Eubank, Darius, McClelland. Many guys. He ducked many of the best fighters.. Hearns career is more exciting and who he beat for titles were great fighters. Even Duran was champ when Tommy beat him at 154. When Tommy faced the best he knocked them out or outboxed them. Cuevas,Hill, Benitez,Duran. he struggled?

 

So you're admitting you're not a RJJ fan. That's all I needed to know.

I love both fighters and grew up watching both fighters. I was alive to see both men rise up the ranks on HBO and PPV. It's not Roy's fault fighters ducked him. I agree his comp wasn't that great but he destroyed everyone he fought. He missed out on Benn, McClellan, Dariusz Mich..., Eubank, Collins, a younger Calazghe and the Hopkins rematch in 2002. But was that his fault? How did he duck fighters? Benn admitted he didn't want to **** blood for a week after the McClellan fight when a Roy Jones SuperBout was brought up.

RJJ didn't start fighting tougher guys. He went up to win a heavyweight strap and, I believe, he never was the same again. Tarver got him at the right time. Believe me, I was frustrated when Roy didn't take the Hopkins rematch. But the negotiating table can be a problem so Roy went up and beat John Ruiz, which to me was a tremendous feat.

Roy didn't lose until 2004 barring the DQ. It's because he was much better than the competition he fought. He was never tripped up by a guy like Iran Barkley.

 

The title to the tread is
Hearns v Roy Jones at either 160, 168 or 175

 

That's what usually happens when you gain weight, you are bulking up all around and losing that ripped body from when he was a WW. You think Duran looked the same at 154 as opposed to 135? How so Tommy didn't look good at 168? And he looked great against Leonard.. Dropped him twice. ..and he beat Hill at 175. His worst weight was 160 imo. Had his problems adjusting to stronger fighters and his legs weren't all there. He was fine up from there. He fought everyone and when you do that , you will always lose a couple

 

That was fight #36 for Ray .. He wasn't finished AT ALL .. Ray doesn't get the shopworn argument here Mark . He just turned 33. And he played his games in and out of retirement .. If anything Tommy gets the wear and tear argument here .. And he was the Boss in that fight .. Why the hell you think Ray waited 8 years to fight him …

 

Yeah I was alive and saw the fight on live TVKO at the time. I know all about it Mark. Thanks.

 

Dude....undefeated James Toney wasn't a great fighter? Dude was ranked in the Top 3 P4P fighters at the time. Roy raped him!! Maybe **** isn't the best word but, Roy took his scalp, his "O", defeated Toney at Toney's own weight class.

 

Yeah and I am mentioning Roy and how he sort of fought whom he wanted and he was impressive, but not the guys and the level Hearns did. Hearns has more of the great fights to be remembered for.. Roy was great no doubt.