Hearns v Roy Jones at either 160, 168 or 175 eras for eras who wins?

Yes we have discussed this before … waiting for your input/analysis on Moorer vs Roy … it's on page 2 .. thanks mate

 

Why was Tommy better offensively?

Roy had incredible speed with an unorthadox style.

Tommy did have an awesome jab. He also had an awesome reach for the weights in which he competed in.

 

You are obsessed with the Montell Griffin fights.

And how are you comparing a JMW to a LHW, when they were both stylistically very different?

Messy?

Oh my.

Roy's knockout of Griffin was a thing of absolute beauty.

He knocked him out with a lead uppercut.

 

A welter Duran was not on another planet to Roy.

Just stop.

 

Hearns would have been a hell of a test for Roy. Extremely dangerous.

Tommy's gameplan worked against Ray, until Ray switched tactics and fought him. And that's what Roy would had to have done. You don't try and out box a great boxer who has physical advantages. Roy would have had to have gone in and fought Hearns like he did against Griffin and Hill.

 

Roy knocked out Griffin with a lead uppercut.

Why don't you go and watch it.

Look at the ground he covered.

Look at the extension of his left arm.

That shot was longer than a jab.

Duran wouldn't have had a chance of beating Roy.

 

He fought good competition:

Hill
Johnson
Griffin
Ruiz
Tarver

 

It was.

It will be in 20 years time.

It was said through frustration.

You had to know what was happening behind the scenes at the time.

It's a complete myth that he ducked the best guys.

 

how was it a myth? I was there. He had guys to fight and he didn't fight the best, he did the Mayweather thing of waiting until they got beat and he didn't fight them. Floyd eventually fought all the guy when they were washed up? Myth? McClelland? Benn, Darius? Toney rematch? Hopkins rematch? what is the myth? Those guys he fought Ricky Frazier? He fought one hall of famer in that time Virgil Hill who was getting older.

 

It would have been an extremely dangerous fight for Roy.

If Moorer could have caught him clean, I think that would have been it. But I think Roy's speed and unorthadox style would have caused Moorer huge trouble.

 

I didn't say it was a myth that he didn't fight the best guys.

I said it was a myth that he ducked the best guys.

Frazier was a low level mandatory.

Hopkins demanded a $10m purse to fight Roy in 2002. HBO and Roy's advisors met him and offered him $6m, with Roy conceding weight for a 168 C-W. It was turned down flat. No negotiation. No compromise. Simply: "$10m or no fight" This was a guy who's biggest purse to date had been $2.5m against Tito. The majority of his purses were just over $1m. Mark Taffet of HBO has confirmed this. Hopkins didn't want the fight pure and simple. Do you know what he did afterwards? After beating a low level mandatory, he then called out all of the JMW champs to go up and face him.

Regarding Dariusz, it's been done to death. Roy would not go to Germany as he didn't think he'd get a fair shake. And who could blame him after what had happened to him in Seoul, as well as after seeing what Dariusz pulled against Rocchigianni in their first fight? It was pathetic. Did you see it? I'm sure you must have seen the Ottke-Reid fight a few years later? After Roy had turned down offers to go to Germany, Dariusz and his promoter both said that they'd be open to fighting in the U.S. if the offer was good enough. Yet every time Kerry Davis of HBO tried to arrange for them to meet, they were ignored. Also, nobody ever talks of why Dariusz didn't give up his lightly regarded WBO belt after he'd beaten Hill for the WBA and and IBF titles.

Liles was lined up but he went back and asked for more money at the last moment which scuppered the fight. That has been confirmed by both HBO and Liles' own manager from the time.

King's other fighters were also hard for Roy to fight, as King and Roy's advisors - the Levin's, had a mutual dislike and distrust of each other. I've seen articles from 1995, quoting Stanley Levin, where he said that he wouldn't sign Roy over to King for future options.

Boxing is a ruthless business. We all know that. How many great fights have we missed out on throughout the years?

Roy was not risk adverse. Otherwise he'd never have pursued those guys before going on to fight the likes of Ruiz and Tarver etc at an advanced age.

The Tarver fights alone should prove to you that he took risks. He had to burn muscle in just a few months in order to make weight for their first fight. He was absolutely exhausted in the final 3rd of the fight. And then he rematched him the following year when he really didn't have to. And Tarver was a good fighter who presented Roy with a very tough challenge stylistically.

 

Jones barely got hit flush for years so i'm not sure many had better defense than him.