Hearns vs Monzon @ 160

Monzon basically was almost like Hagler in the chin department. Never stopped or seriously hurt in 80+ fights. Hearns has a *chance* to KO, but it's not a huge one. To compare a big middelweight's chin to a lightweight's chin is ridiculous.

As for Hearns being too skilled, he got beaten twice by Iran Barkley, not exactly a highly skilled boxer.

 

Monzon was a great champion, and I'm not saying that Hearns would definitely win (Monzon was stronger than he was). However, another fact is that Monzon never faced someone with the height, reach or speed of hearns, someone who could outbox him from the outside. Just something to consider, but it would certainly be interesting.

 

No. Sorry, just no. This is going too far. Hagler took flush bombs from massive punchers like Hearns and Mugabi and shook them off. Monzon NEVER really got hit hard. He was never in a particularly tough fight and was never in a real war. His chin has never been proven in anywhere near the same way as Hagler's. When he did get hit by decent but not spectacular punchers like Briscoe and Valdez, he went down or was visibly stunned. He had a good chin, but not a great chin, and comparing it to Hagler's is just absurd. This guy's mystique is just incredible.

 

Well, if we all just "agreed to disagree" every time we seemed to remotely differ over the quality of a fighter, ESB Classic would be a pretty dull place. It's interesting to ask people specific points about what aspects of a fighter's game they like or dislike, and go into deeper analysis of those things. That's all I'm trying to do here. "Ramming your opinion down someone's throat" and simply debating are two entirely different things.

 

Well, the fact remains that he was often a low output fighter. That's the aspect of his game that was in discussion.

How? That's a separate point which needs justification in itself.

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You've got to be related to Alicia Muniz or something...or else what else could explain how full of **** you are? I mean, agree or disagree about Carlos Monzon, for God's sake, who gives a ****, but you sound like an ignorant, spiteful, emotionally driven woman with an agenda..an axe to grind.

 

No, this is getting hit hard (0:06 particularly):

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Don't tell me you think the two scenarios are comparable.

 

Do you think Monzon had a chin that was "basically nearly the same as Hagler's"?

 

40-50 isn't low; it's probably at the lower end of average.

Semantics is irrelevant here. My point is that Monzon never stood up to shots anywhere near as hard as Hagler did. That is the bottom line. Do you dispute that?

And yes I have been hit, I box myself thanks.

 

Even if I were to adopt a less strict definition of "hard", I wouldn't say Monzon did get hit all that hard, to be honest. The Valdez shot was really a Jermain-Taylor style looping right, which caused problems mainly because Monzon was punching himself, stepped into it, never saw it coming and because it landed straight on the button. Maybe the Briscoe right in the ninth/tenth round was hard; I'm not sure, the footage is pretty dire. Monzon was a very cautious fighter. His chin wasn't thoroughly tested at all.

Yes. I have to say: You've been attacking me for my attitude, and maybe I was wrong about the Monzon/Benvenuti thing, but I think it says something about your attitude that people can make far more outlandish statements than I ever did (which you've now admitted you disagree with) and escape criticism, but I seem to attract it on an issue on which we apparently agree!

 

OK, fair enough. Question. Tommy was a Welterweight with hand problems. Mugabi's best weight was 154. Do you think they were bigger punchers at 160 than Valdez? Valdez blasted out Briscoe which is pretty damn impressive. Tommy didn't fight a lot of fights at 160 and it wasn't like he was sparking everyone out when he did. I actually like Tommy better a 168, maybe even 175. At 160, he still was pretty lean and was in against much stronger men (160 vs 147).
Hagler could be at the top of the list for chins. No argument there. I don't believe Monzon was too far behind. Suggesting he never got hit much is a bit of a backhanded compliment as well as maybe putting him in Locche's league defensively (which I don't believe was your intent). The guy had a lot of fights. Sure he was tagged. IMO Monzon had an all-time great chin (albeit a half notch below Hagler), and all-time great recuperative power. He recovered almost instantly from the Valdez, Briscoe punches.