HEARNS vs MONZON at Middleweight ? (15 rds)

Surely a guy with as many fighters working as many corners as he has is going to have their share of blowouts. When it comes to big fights his successes are spellbinding.

 

I know. By the same token, how many guys did Angie Dundee have blown out early in big bouts? or Gil Clancy? Freddie Brown? Manny Steward? Ray Arcel? Or even recent guys like Berestein and Sdunek?

 

Give me the fights you are thinking of per Futch.

I'm not sure how much blame a trainer can foot here.

 

Hearns fought enough in the 1980s and 1990s. Olajide was in April of 1990, and Olajide fought a rather defensive fight. Tommy had been inactive almost a year. Hearns at middleweight seemed distracted. Had he settled down and put his focus on defending the title he could have had many title defenses. He did well when he had a challenge and knew what he was going to do. The Singletary fight you mention was in Dec. of 1981. Hearns had lost to Leonard less than 3 months before. He was not full fledged yet. If Hearns was in shape and knew who he had in front of him and he was motivated he did well.

 

I am not too sure about this. The guys who gave Hearns trouble were the shorter guys who roughed him up since they had to get inside to reach him. Tall guys rarely gave him trouble. Hearns bodyshots especially his left to the body could have really hurt Monzon and set up the right. I am just saying, I do not think this is an easy fight to figure. If Hearns was motivated and in shape, Monzon would be easier for him than Hagler. Stylewise.

 

That right you are talking about was not a great right by Hearns at the beginning of round 4. Gil Clancy said, "Hearns hit him with a right and Roldan is still there. That could be significant". Then Hearns starts to land the left hook to the body and Roldan lowers his hands and Hearns puts a leveraged right hand through and knocks him out later on in round 4. Roldan is the kind of fighter who gave Hearns trouble. Tall rangy guys did not. Hearns was quicker than most tall rangy guys so he could do everything better than they could. And most of them could not take a Hearns right to the head.

 

Lets get this one in perspective :blood

1. Singletary was Hearns first fight since the devastating loss (mentally especially) to SRL.

2. This fight was not even 3 months after the SRL loss.

3. This was Hearns first fight against a genuine middle.

4. This was the heaviest Hearns had fought at.

5. At this stage Hearns was 100% manafactured weight. It was simply weight for weights sake. He had grand plans of a fast rematch vs SRL at 147 and was not going to gain up to a solid 160 thru proper solid means. Compare this to later 160 Hearns, vs say Schuler. Rippling muscle and looking very comfortable with the extra poundage visually. Then find a picture of the Hearns that fought Singletary. Just 155 and no special means to get there.

This hopefully explains that particular fight.

 

Monzon was stronger at this weight. Hearns had that fast jab,right hand, left hook combo and could hurt Carlos but I think Carlos would wear Hearns down for a late 11-15 stop....Carlos would not wage early war like Marvin did

 

Hearns wins. Monzons would not have his usual physical advantages ( except for strength maybe) and he would be facing someone with superior speed, jab, skills and punching power.

There would be no real way for monzon to win other than to wear hearns down. He was too slow, hand and foot, didn't possess one punch ko power and wouldn't have the luxury of hearns coming to him so that he could catch him coming in. I definitlely feel that hearn would beat him over 12 or 15 rounds, even though 15 might be tougher. Monzon was just too methodical and predictable.

 

How many fighters went to Monzon's body, out of curiosity?

 

Monzon would frustrate and dominate Hearns like he did Benvenuti and knock out Tommy in similar fashion with a right hand bomb in 12 or 13. Monzon was essesntially tougher and stronger than Hearns, who would be worn down and cleanly stopped by Monzon. In my opinion, no welterweight OR middleweight ever would beat Monzon.

 

I do not see it. Knowing what I know about Hearns the guys who gave him trouble were the strong brawler types who had to take chances to get inside. Guys like Monzon who were lean like Tommy usually had to deal with his speed and jab and Monzon would have had to deal with things other guys did not give him. I just do not think Monzon would have had an easy time in this fight.

 

Hearns was a terrific offensive machine but let's face it, he did not have the greatest chin or stamina ... Monzon, with an iron chin and endless stamina is too much and stops him in the mid rounds