Thomas Hearns takes a walk into the fifties....how would he fare against this middleweight line-up? Prime for prime... Jake LaMotta Carmen Basilio Carl Olson Randy Turpin Gene Fullmer Let's say each bout is the 15 championship limit...How do they play out?
Fullmer takes it. He already beat Basilio. And I dont see Turpin doing any better. The only real threat is LaMotta.
Splits a pair of bouts with Gavilan Beats Basilio twice Splits a pair of bouts with Turpin Beats Olson Loses to Fullmer 3 times out of 4. Loses 4 out of 6 to Lamotta
LaMotta vs Hearns is a tough one to call. I doubt Tommy could take Jake out as he had a chin of granite. Only Nardico had Jake off his feet and that was at the end of his career. I think Jake might outlast Hearns as Tommy had stamina problems at times in his career. Basilio vs Hearns---- I think Tommy is too big and hits too hard for Carmen. Of course there are those who will say that Basilio was able to go 30 tough rounds with Robinson so that could make a Basilio win possible with Hearns. Turpin vs Hearns === I don't know enough about Randy Turpin as I have only seen clips of him in the Robinson fights. So I couldn't make a pick on this one. Olson vs Hearns ----- Hearns by a knockout. I can't see Olson standing up to those right hand bombs that Tommy threw. Fullmer vs Hearns---- I would go with Gene Fullmer on this one. I think this would look alot like a LaMotta fight would. Jake was a better puncher than Fullmer but I think Gene was a better boxer than Jake. Again Fullmer had the chin and the stamina to take Tommy into the late rounds. I don't think Tommy would be able to last a 15 round distance with Fullmer.
I think hearns would beat guys like kid gavilan, emile griffith, and jose napoles everytime. I mean what are they going to do? Outbox the hitman, haha i dont think so. He either outpoints all 3 or knocks them the **** out. I think he would beat turpin and olson every time. He probably gets kod by lamotta and fullmer though.
I think this thread is flawed,you should match up tommy with robinsons 147 opponents. And in my opinion hearns beats ALL of robinsons welterweight opponents. As for the middleweights,the hearns of the hagler fight knocks out olsen and basilio,and beats turpin,la motta and fullmer two out of three. None of these three are comparable to the hagler that hearns fought. Those who question hearns stamina,which fight shows this? the leonard fight was 14 rounds and hearns probably wilted because of the punches he took,even ray leonard said hearns had great stamina in that fight, much more than he expected. One of hearns' problems at middle was that he lost that essential bit of extra speed which enabled him to punch and get out quickly and sometimes he just plain slugged it out too much when he had all the boxing advantages. People should watch the roldan and de witt fights for evidence of what hearns could do at middle versus a short rough very strong bomber (roldan.) who was probably a better puncher than all the middles the thread starter listed. And dewitt was a comparable durable strong brawling swarmer to some of the others mentioned. I would mention the fact that he was schooling the **** out of barkley before getting sloppy and caught,as barkley was a very strong,huge hard punching durable middle,in the rematch hearns also should durability when way past his best. Hearns prime years were really at 147/154 and by the time he was middle champ he was on the slide. People see him getting rocked by kinchen at 168 (he did win that fight.) and stopped by barkley and assume he has no durability,wheras robinson gets knocked down for 9 by artie levine and knocked down by non puncher la motta and numerous fighters but never gets called out for it.
I don't think it is 'flawed' at all...Both fighters traveled from welter to middle Robinson did it...and Hearns did as well...and as far as Robinson getting knocked down? Levine was a big puncher, and Lamotta had a considerable weight advantage...Robinson was stopped only once...I know I am bring up the totally obvious...as are you! I also think Hearns matches up well for the most part with SRR's opponents. Enough said.
I mean flawed in the sense that hearns' best was not at 160,just like robinson wasnt at his best at 160. I would prefer to compare their careers prime for prime. at 147. By the time hearns was middle champ he was on the slide. Hearns' career at middle was pretty short really. Anyway,didnt mean no bad criticism...Without your interesting threads i would have less to respond to,and it might be too quiet in here! :good
I think Fulmer would stop Hearns at MW . The Turpin fight could be a clash of styles and a struggling fight for both , either could take it , maybe Hearns though . I think Hearns could beat Olsen - only because his punch would find its mark at some point . At welterweight I think Basilio is above Hearns ATG (just opinion) but h2h at MW I dont know , Basilio beat Robinson past his prime but did show tremenus hart . Either man could take this but I think Hearns at MW . And I think LaMotta would beat Hearns at MW
Huge wear and tear factor for Hearns against this group. By the time of the 4th match, his legs are completely shot. They weren't that good in the first place. No legs against these guys is a huge disadvantage to have. And tommy is not going to like eating their punches round after round.