heart/ bottle/ inner strength .. how much do you think it counts opposed to talent ?

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  1. williams7383

    williams7383 TKO 6 Klit Lickers Full Member

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    you look at some fighters like Mayweather and you can see they have all the talent in the world others havent got a tenth of the talent but through sheer grit, heart and determination become a champion

    Dirrell v Froch, prime example, Dirrell has the natural tools to beat Froch, but doesnt seem to like getting hit, and when it gets a bit messy always seems to be looking for a way to not get clumped

    Hopkins does nothing exceptionally, but all of the fundamentals well, and has a good combination of skill, and balls.

    Junior Witter always struck me as a talented but not the most gritty of fighters, and not always prepared to get into the trenches and have a tear up, whereas Hatton was never as skilful but came forward for a row.

    Eubank and Nigel Benn were 2 times, 2 weight world champs, Herol Graham fell short, and Clinton Woods became a world champ through I reckon more effort than skills

    Tyson .. how much heart did he have when it started going against him ? Douglas, Holyfield, Lewis, Danny, and the big Paddy even a shot Tyson should have beat the last 2

    I think heart/bottle/big bollocks goes a long way in the game but it needs to be combined with natural talent, as a shitload of one will only get you so far.
     
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  2. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    It matters a great deal. It's hard to put a value on which is more important, it all depends on levels of each.

    An amazingly gifted fighter that has average intangibles would probably still beat a guy with little talent but all heart and determination.

    But an amazingly gifted fighter that has no heart when things get tough, and no ability to overcome difficult situations in the ring? A fighter with exceptional intangibles can win that matchup later in the fight.

    So yeah, its important. If you wanted to create a fighter but only had a certain number of points to award in each category I think you'd want to be fairly generous with intangibles. Otherwise there are going to be some great nights and some very disapointing nights, and probably ultimately an underachiever.
     
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  3. LP_1985

    LP_1985 JMM beat Pac-Man 3 Times Full Member

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    think hatton's skills are a lil under-rated as he didnt use them much but u defo need alot of heart bottle and inner strength
     
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  4. mbrockett

    mbrockett ESB voyeur Full Member

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    martin rogan v audley was a perfect demo of this
     
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  5. Will

    Will Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thats a good call. I would also go with Froch Dirrell although I do feel Froch's skills get a little bit overlooked.
     
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  6. topdog88

    topdog88 frohaye Full Member

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    many fighters with a massive heart and mental toughness always seem to pull through....carl froch been a prime example unless hes knocked spark out he wont stop until he wins!
     
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  7. Leo Ross

    Leo Ross Member Full Member

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    Steve Collins and Micky Ward spring to mind. Both achieved loads in boxing down to their toughness, never say die attitudes and self belief.
     
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