I doubt that I'm in the minority hear when I say that Holmes should be in the top 10. Here's mine: 1. Joe Louis 2. Muhammad Ali 3. Rocky Marciano 4. Larry Holmes 5. Jack Dempsey 6. Jack Johnson 7. George Foreman 8. Sonny Liston 9. Joe Frazier 10. Lennox Lewis 11. Ezzard Charles 12. Evander Holyfield
Something like this: 1 Louis 2 Ali 3 Lewis 4 Marciano 5 Frazier 6 Foreman 7 Tyson 8 Holyfield 9 Holmes 10 Dempsey 11 Johnson 12 Jeffries
Very well explained and I agree Tunney would be an Icon if he had defended a few more times but he finished his carrer as a Heavyweight and I dont think he would have had any trouble with Sharkey or Uscudun or Schmeling but still his fights leading up to Dempsey,the way he beat Jack and the fast feet and hands combined with power(not seen again in a while) make me rate him high. I rate Johnson and Jeffries high but I see Tunney as a better fighter than both and a more modern fighter.
Here“s mine: 1: Joe Louis 2: Muhammad Ali 3: Rocky Marciano 4: James J. Jeffries 5: Joe Frazier 6: Lennox Lewis 7: Jack Dempsey 8: Jack Johnson 9: George Foreman 10: Larry Holmes 11: Mike Tyson 12: Ezzard Charles
1) Dempsey/Ali/Holmes 4) Tunney/Louis 6) Marciano/Frazier 8) Jackson/Corbett 10) Charles 11) Schmeling 12) Holyfield Honorable mention: Sullivan, Jeffries, Johnson, Walcott, Foreman.
1. Ali 2. Louis 3. Marciano 4. Holmes 5. Foreman 6. Lewis 7. Liston 8. Johnson 9. Dempsey 10. Holyfield 11. Frazier 12. Charles note. If Holyfield manage to beat ibragimov he might climb one or 2 spots. If he manage to beat klitshko, damn.. i rank him 6th
How can you call that a good list? That was a terrible list! Marciano in the top 2 is a travesty, Frazier above Foreman is comical, and people like Max Baer over Liston is down right shameful.:-( Anyway, here's my list, head-to-head of course. 1. Muhammad Ali 2. Sonny Liston 3. George Foreman 4. Mike Tyson 5. Joe Louis 6. Larry Holmes 7. Joe Frazier 8. Jack Johnson 9. Jack Dempsey 10. Lennox Lewis 11. Rocky Marciano 12. Riddick Bowe :good
All variable factors taken into consideration, here'd be my 'Elite' 20: 1. Joe Louis 2. Muhammad Ali 3. Larry Holmes ---------------------- 4. Lennox Lewis 5. Joe Frazier 6. Rocky Marciano 7. Mike Tyson 8. Evander Holyfield 9. Sonny Liston 10. Jack Dempsey 11. Jack Johnson 12. Jim Jeffries 13. George Foreman 14. Riddick Bowe 15. Floyd Patterson 16. Gene Tunney 17. Ezzard Charles 18. Joe Walcott 19. Sam Langford 20. Max Schmeling
Pretty decent list there, mate. I'd have Lewis and Marciano (the later, mostly due to 49-0) higher, though Rocky would suffer, quite a bit, on a head-to-head basis against these other greats. Louis is a lock on for Top 3 (at least) whilst I would have Foreman lower due to his rather thin resume compared to others on the list. All purely subjective of course. :good
Jack Roper instead of Johnny Paychek or Lee Ramage? And where's Leroy Caldwell or Tiger Ted Lowry? "Scrap Iron" instead of Mel Turnbow? And you have Zouski too low. Totally agree with Stallings and Tillis though. Very astute selections there.