Heavyweight boxer as the greatest P4P boxer ever?

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  1. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Even here I strongly disagree, but there are many fighters at lower weights who peaked considerably higher than Tyson.
     
  2. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I disagree. Prime for prime Larry would not have beaten Muhammad but it would have been a very competitive bout. A good chessmatch style boxing class early on then both guys' warrior mentality would take over and we would have a war.

    I rate Holmes very highly by the way - second or third greatest heavyweight of all time.
     
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  3. SwarmingSlugger

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    Well considering Ali got pushed to the limit in 3 fights with Chinny Ken Norton, he would have no way to deal with a fighter like Duran who wasnt a one dimensional trick pony. Ali was not quicker than Leonard, and Leonard didnt decide to go toe to toe thats revisionist history, check out Springs Toledos book the Gods of War. Duran was past his best when he beat Leonard as a lightweight he was even better.
     
  4. FastLeft

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    would even greatest heavyweight even ever care to be greatest "p4p"? it is lesser title meaning nothing to in comparison of heavyweights king!
     
  5. FastLeft

    FastLeft Active Member Full Member

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    I agree with who said p4p is tallest of midget dwarf!
    Haha
     
  6. Vic The Gambler

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    Ali was P4P faster than Leonard. You say he wasn’t I say he was…I believe I’m right and you believe I’m wrong. Stalemate on that. But it’s a moot point anyway as you say Duran was past his best when he fought Leonard.

    As for Norton…if I bring up Duran losing to Kirkland Laing or getting destroyed by Tommy Hearns, you’ll say he was past his best when he fought them.
    Same applies to Ken Norton. Ali was also years past his best. Be consistent in your argument…either your talking Prime v Prime or you’re not. If you are give me a Duran time frame for when he was prime and we can compare properly to Ali in his prime.
    If not, and you want to bring up Norton, then we’ll talk Laing or Hearns or Leonard or whichever one of Duran’s 16 losses I care to remember.

    So make up your mind…Prime or not prime.
     
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  7. mark ant

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    Tyson`s speed at heavyweight was insane, if he had been born a welter or middle he would have been untouchable.
     
  8. mark ant

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    No, Leonard`s speed was freaky, Tyson`s combo speed was quicker than Ali`s.
     
  9. Vic The Gambler

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    We can debate Tyson and Ali all day…I’ve got much respect for them both. Tysons combo speed on the inside was crazy. Ali’s foot speed was out of this world and his jab was like a bullet.

    As for Leonard’s speed…I’m comparing prime Ali at around 210-ish and Leonard
    150-ish P4P. Ali was on average around 60lb heavier…so obviously SRL would be quicker in real terms. But P4P, no way.
     
  10. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That doesn't matter, I was only referring to HWs
     
  11. mark ant

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    Cooper could almost match Ali`s speed.
     
  12. Vic The Gambler

    Vic The Gambler Member Full Member

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    Well Ali didn’t see tHenry Cooper’s left hook coming that’s for sure!
     
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  13. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Active Member Full Member

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    Well what if Ali had his heavyweight power as a lightweight?
     
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  14. FastLeft

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    what if prime peak whitney Houston bigger than Andre Giant? would she still rate good singer?
    would serge gainsbourg still want **** her? Lol

    this is serious mode of questions when you start off down " p 4 pound ''' rabbit hole discuss
     
  15. Stevie G

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    I'm at a loss as to why Norton is considered chinny. Apart from Jose Luis Garcia those who stopped him were big punchers. Ken stood up really well to Ali and Holmes' shots. They may not have been big bangers but were hardly powder puff punchers either.