That is my intention. I have all of matt d's rankings as well as enough old clippings to last a lifetime. I intend to do from sullivan to tunney as well as the notable coloured champions. Once i've completed them i'll post all the results together in a new thread but until then i'll update them on here as I do them.
Thank you. Once i've completed the research i'll create a new thread. I still want to do from john l until gene as well as the great coloured champions. I'll keep updating on here until i've completed it.
I love this stuff. Been trying to get a list like this together for a while myself but hell, I'm barely even on the boards anymore. Great great work. Also, I told you guys Ezzard Charles wuz 4 realz at Heavyweight.
Thanks. Mos def, couldn't believe his heavyweight resume considering what he'd already achieved at lower weights.
Not only Charles but also other lhws like Loughran, Moore, H. Johnson, they´ve got superb hw resumes with more 30+ fights and most of them at least against fringe contenders but never get taken seriously as hws. Sadly.
Even before then, guys like choynski and fitzsimmons. There seems to be considerable number of light heavy's stepping up and beating a number of contenders losing only to the champ and the resume they amass gets overlooked.
When Choinsky was around the lhw division didn´t exist, he was a hw. Similar for Fitz but he was able to fight at the lhw division since it came into existence during the latter part of his career. But yeah, you are right. Those fighters are too often written of as "blown-up" lhws. :-(
Both began at middleweight from what I can gather and I imagine had the lhw division been created sooner they'd have campaigned there but obviously I can never prove that. Yeah too often it does get said and it's disrespectful to the heavyweights of the day that got defeated by these so called lightheavyweights.
In their last meeting, I'd say Moore and H. Johnson was really fighting for the #1 Heavyweight spot despite RING still only ranking them as LHW. Between the two fo them they were coming off wins over every top contender in Valdez, Charles, Satterfield, Baker, and Maxim.
Ok I've now done from tunney down using Matt D's rankings and clippings I can find to see who notable contenders were. Also used CBZ's bio pagea and cox's corner as well. Just incase anyone wants to cross reference my stuff, here are matt d's rankings 1892 Champion Corbett 2. Jackson 3. Goddard 4. Slavin 5. Choynski 6. Fitzsimmons 7. Hall 8. Godfrey 9. McAuliffe 10. Kilrain 1893 Champion Corbett 2. Jackson 3. Fitzsimmons 4. Denver Smith 5. Hall 6. Goddard 7. Slavin 8. Choynski 9. McAuliffe 10. Godfrey 1894 Champion Corbett 2. Jackson 3. Fitzsimmons 4. Smith 5. Choynski 6. Maher 7. Goddard 8. Hall 9. Slavin 10. Godfrey 1895 Champion Maher 2. Fitzsimmons 3. Jackson 4. Slavin 5. Smith 6. Choynski 7. Felix 8. Hall 9. Creedon 10. O’Donnell 1896 Champion Corbett 2. Fitzsimmons 3 Maher 4. Choynski 5. Sharkey 6. Armstrong 7. Creedon 8. Goddard 9. Ruhlin 10. O’Donnell 1897 Champion Fitzsimmons 2. Maher 3. Sharkey 4. Choynski 5. Childs 6. Corbett 7. Ruhlin 8. Jeffries 9. O’Donnell 10. Armstrong 1898 Champion Fitzsimmons 2. Jeffries 3. Sharkey 4. Maher 5. Corbett 6. McCoy 7. Ruhlin 8. Childs 9. Armstrong 10. Choynski 1899 Champion Jeffries 2. Sharkey 3. Fitxsimmons 4. Maher 5. McCoy 6. Corbett 7. Kennedy 8. Ruhlin 9. Childs 10. Martin 1900 Champion Jeffries 2 Fitzsimmons 3 Corbett 4 McCoy 5 Ruhlin 6 Sharkey 7 Childs 8 Maher 9 Kennedy 10 Martin 1901 Champion Jeffries 2 Ruhlin 3 McCoy 4 Childs 5 Sharkey 6 Root 7 Martin 8 Maher 9 Griffin 10 Gardner 1902 Champion Jeffries 2 Fitzsimmons 3 Ruhlin 4 Martin 5 Johnson 6 Gardner 7 O’Brien 8 Root 9 Hart 10 Carter 1903 Champion Jeffries 2 Fitzsimmons 3 Johnson 4 Ruhlin 5 Gardner 6 Root 7 Hart 8 O’Brien 9 Armstrong 10 McVey 1904 Champion Jeffries 2 Johnson 3 Hart 4 Root 5 O’Brien 6 Gardner 7 Ruhlin 8 Ferguson 9 Martin 10 McVey 1905 Champion Hart 2 Johnson 3 O’Brien 4 Jeanette 5 Root 6 Fitzsimmons 7 Ruhlin 8 Kaufman 9 J Twin Sullivan 10 Schreck 1906 Champion Burns 2 Johnson 3 O’Brien 4 Langford 5 Jeanette 6 McVey 7 Kaufman 8 Schreck 9 Hart 10 Ruhlin 1907 Champion Burns 2 Johnson 3 Kaufman 4 Langford 5 Jeanette 6 McVey 7 O’Brien 8 Schreck 9 Jim Flynn 10 Sullivan 1908 Champion Johnson 2 Langford 3 Kaufman 4 Burns 5 Jeanette 6 McVey 7 O’Brien 8 Hart 9 Ross 10 Schreck 1909 Champion Johnson 2 Langford 3 Jeanette 4 McVey 5 Kaufman 6 Ketchell 7 O’Brien 8 Ferguson 9 Lang 10 Schreck 1910 Champion Johnson 2 Langford 3 Jeanette 4 McVey 5 Kaufman 6 Burns 7 Lang 8 Jim Flynn 9 Dan Flynn 10 Curran 1911 champion Johnson 2 McVey 3 Langford 4 Jeanette 5 Wells 6 Jim Flynn 7 Al Palzar 8 Carl Morris 9 Dan Flynn 10 Clarke 1912 Champion Johnson 2 Langford 3 Jeanette 4 McVey 5 Gunboat Smith 6 Willard 7 Ross 8 Mc Carthy 9 Jim Flynn 10 Palzar 1913 Champion Johnson 2 Smith 3 Langford 4 Jeanette 5 McVey 6 Jim Johnson 7 Pelkey 8 Willard 9 Moran 10 Carpentier 1914 Champion Johnson 2 Langford 3 Jeanette 4 McVey 5 Carpentier 6 Clarke 7 Dillon 8 Wills 9 Levinsky 10 Coffey 1915 Champion Willard 2 Johnson 3 Moran 4 Dillon 5 Wills 6 McVey 7 Jeanette 8 coffey 9 Langford 10 Morris 1916 CHAMPION Willard 2 Wills 3 Miske 4 Dillon 5 Morris 6 Levinsky 7 Moran 8 Weinert 9 McVey 10 Jeanette 1917 Champion Willard 2 Wills 3 Fulton 4 Langford 5 Norfolk 6 Miske 7 Greb 8 Dempsey 9 Jeanette 10 Gibbons 1918 Champion Willard 2 Wills 3 Dempsey 4 Fulton 5 Gibbons 6 Greb 7 Miske 8 Meehan 9 Madden 10 Jeanette 1919 Champion Dempsey 2 Wills 3 Fulton 4 Greb 5 Gibbons 6 Carpentier 7 Miske 8 Johnson 9 Norfolk 10 Brennan 1920 Champion Dempsey 2 Wills 3 Fulton 4 Greb 5 Gibbons 6 Carpentier 7 Miske 8 Norfolk 9 Tunney 10 Weinert 1921 Champion Dempsey 2 Wills 3 Fulton 4 Gibbons 5 Tunney 6 Carpentier 7 Miske 8 Greb 9 Beckett 10 Brennan 1922 Champion Dempsey 2 Wills 3 Greb 4 Gibbons 5 Miske 6 Tunney 7 F.Johnson 8 Brennan 9 Beckett 10 Carpentier 1923 Champion Dempsey 2 Wills 3 Firpo 4 Tunney 5 Carpentier 6 Miske 7 Gibbons 8 Greb 9 Renault 10 F.Johnson
now here are the resume breakdowns I could find, obviously the earlier we go the more erroneuos it can get with conflicting reports etc, and boxrec this early on is increasingly more unreliabe. But this is the best I could do. Gene Tunney 9-0-0 (4) Weinert (x2), Spalla, Greb, Gibbons, Risko, Dempsey (x2), Heeney (7) Dempsey 21-5-3 (13) J. Flynn (x2), Meehan (x5), Smith (x2), Morris (x3), Brennan (x2), Miske (x3), Pelkey, D. Flynn (x2), Fulton, Levinski, Willard, Carpentier, Gibbons, Firpo, Tunney (x2), Sharkey (16) Willard 5-3-1 (2) Pelkey, McCarthy, Smith, Morris, J. Johnson, Moran, Dempsey, F. Johnson, Firpo (9) Johnson 27-5-5 (7) Choynski, Griffin (x3), Childs (x2), Gardner, Martin (x2), McVey (x3), Ferguson (x4), Hart, Jeanette (x7), Langford, Fitzsimmons, Felix, J. Flynn (x2), Burns, Ross, Kaufman, Ketchel, Jeffries, Jim Johnson, Moran, Willard (21) Burns 5-2-2 (3) Hart, Flynn, OBrien (x2), Lang (x2), J.Johnson, Pelkey, Beckett (7) Hart 8-5-3 (3) Choynski, Carter, Gardner, Ferguson, Ruhlin (x2), J.Johnson, Root, Burns, Schrek (x3), Maher, Twin Sullivan, Ross, Morris (12) Jeffries 12-1-2 (9) Griffin (x2), Ruhlin (x2), Choynski, Goddard. Jackson, Sharkey (x2), Fitzsimmons (x2), Corbett (x2), Kennedy, J.Johnson (10) Fitzsimmons 5-5-0 (5) Maher, Sharkey (x2), Corbett, Jeffries (x2), Ruhlin, OBrien, Johnson, Lang (8) Corbett 7-4-2 (5) Donaldson, Choynski, Kilrain, McCaffrey, Sullivan, Mitchell, Sharkey (x2), Fitzsimmons, McCoy, Jackson, Jeffries (x2) (11) Sullivan 7-1-3 (5) Donaldson, Dalton, Ryan (x2), Elliot, Mitchell, Slade, Mcaffrey, Kilrain, Burke, Corbett (10)
corbett pleasantly surprised me actually, i never realised how great he looked up until the fitz loss at age 31. will have to seriously rethink my ranking of him
i'll be doing the legendary couloured champions next: wills, jeanette, mcvea and langford. This will take me quite a long time I imagine so I'll update it again on here once I've done. Upon finalising these 4 I might make a new thread with all the results on it but I'm not too sure yet...