Heavyweight Champions + Notable contenders resume against current top ten opposition

I will look at losses but it's hard to gauge, i'll give it a shot tho.

I'll try and do jeanette, mcvea, moore, loughran and sharkey.

I'll put up the scores, but i'd like to point out i've slightly updated my list to split top ten opposition into top 5 or number 1 contender.

I've done langford and wills, the trouble is they both have 20+ notable victories with the majority being over one person so I need to weight it down somehow.

The next rankings I do will weigh defences the same as non-defences.

 

I've tried to iron out any mistakes I made, but here is the latest breakdowns. I've added the main black contenders from the 1900's.

This only shows which top 10 ranked opposition they fought throughout their career. I have actually broken it down to top 5 and leading contender on my spreadsheet.

Key: CC=current champ, TD = title defence, NC=non-current champ.

Sullivan: 7 years: Donaldson, Dalton, Ryan (x2), Elliot, Mitchell, Slade, Mcaffrey, Kilrain (TD).

Corbett: 5 years: Choynski (x2), Kilrain, Mcaffrey, Mccoy, Sullivan (CC)

Fitzsimmons: 2 years: Hall, Choynski, Maher, Corbett (CC), Ruhlin, Sharkey, O’Brien

Jeffries: 6 years: Sharkey (x2, 1TD), Armstrong, Fitzsimmons (x2, CC + TD), Corbett (x2, 2TDNC), Kennedy, Ruhlin (TD)

Hart: 1 year: Carter( x2), Ferguson, Ruhlin, Johnson (NC), Root, Sullivan, Ross

Burns: 3 years: Hart (CC), O’Brien (TD)

Johnson: 7 years: Childs, Gardner, Martin, Mcvea (x3), Ferguson, Jeanette (x4), Langford, Fitsimmons (NC*), Flynn, Burns (CC), Ross (TD), Kaufman (TD), Ketchel (TD), Jeffries (TDNC*), Moran (TD),

Willard: 4 years: J. Johnson (CC), Moran (TD), F. Johnson

Dempsey: 7 years: Morris, Fulton, Miske (x2, 1TD), Willard (CC), Brennan (TD), Carpentier (TD), Gibbons (TD), Firpo (TD), Sharkey (NC)

Tunney: 2 years: Spalla, Risko, Dempsey (x2, CC, TDNC), Heeney (TD)

Schmeling: 2 years: Risko, Uzcudun, Sharkey (CC), Stribling (TD), Walker, Neusel, Louis (NC)

Sharkey: 1 years: F. Johnson, Renault, Gorman, Godfrey, Wills, Maloney, Delaney, Stribling, Carnera (NC), Schmelling (CC)

Carnera: 1 year: Stribling, Godfrey, Levinsky, Schaaf, Sharkey (CC)

Baer: 1 year: Risko, Levinsky (x2), Schaaf, Griffiths, Schmelling (NC), Carnera (CC), Farr, Galento

Braddock: 2 years: Lasky, Baer (CC), Farr

Louis: 12 years: Massera, Ramage (x2), Perroni, Brown, Carnera (NC), Levinsky, Baer (NC), Retzlaff, Attore, Braddock (CC), Farr (TD), Mann (TD), Schmelling (TDNC), Galento (TD), Pastor (TD), Godoy (x2TD), Paycheck (TD), Burman (TD), Simon (x2, 2TD), Baer (x2, 2TD), Conn (x2, 2TD), Nova (TD), Mauriello (TD), Walcott (x2, 2TDNC), Savold, Brion

Charles: 2 years: Maxim (x4, 1TD), Bivins (x2), Baksi, Walcott (x2, NC +TDNC), Valentino (TD), Louis (TDNC), Oma (TD), Layne (x2), Brion, Harrison, Wallace, Satterfield

Walcott: 1 year: Sheppard, Murray, Baksi, Bivins, Gomez, Oma, Maxim (x2), Ray, Johnson, Agramonte, Charles (x2, CC + TDNC)

Marciano: 4 years: Lastarza (x2, 1TD), Layne, Louis (NC), Matthews, Walcott (x2, CC + TDNC), Charles (x2, TDNC), Cockell (TD), Moore (TD)

Patterson: 5 years: Harrison, Slade, Jackson (x2, 1TD), Moore, Harris (TD), London (TD), Johanneson (x2, CC +TDNC), Machen, Chuvalo, Bonavena

Johanneson : 1 year: Machen, Patterson (CC)

Liston: 2 years: Bethea, DeJohn, Williams, Harris, Folley, Machen, Patterson (x2, CC + TDNC), Clark

Ali: 11 years: Daniels, Lazarante, Moore, Jones, Cooper, Liston (x2, CC+TDNC), Patterson (x2, TDNC, NC), Chuvalo (TD), London (TD), Mildenberger (TD), Terrell (TD), Folley (TD), Quarry (x2), Bonavena, Ellis, Foster, Bugner (x2, TD), Norton (x2, TD), Frazier (x2, NC + TDNC), Foreman (CC), Wepner (TD), Lyle (TD), Young (TD), Evangelista (TD), Shavers (TD), L. Spinks (CC)

Frazier: 3 years: Bonavena (x2), Chuvalo, Ramos, Quarry (x2), Ellis, Foster (TD), Ali (TDNC), Bugner

Foreman: 4 years: Chuvalo, Frazier (x2 CC +NC), Norton (TD), Lyle, Moorer (CC),
L. Spinks: 0 years: Ali (CC), Evangelista, Mercardo

Holmes: 5 years: Shavers (x2), Norton, Evangelista, Weaver, Zanon, Jones, LeDoux, Ali (CC), Berbick (TD), Spinks (TDNC), Cooney (TD), Cobb (TD) Witherspoon (TD), Smith (TD), Bey (TD), Williams (TD), Mercer

M. Spinks: 3 years: Holmes (x2, CC + TDNC)

Tyson : 2 years: Berbick, Smith, Thomas, Tucker, Biggs, Holmes (NC*), Spinks (CC) , Williams (TD), Ruddock (x2), Bruno, Seldon,

Douglas: 0 years: Page, Berbick, Tyson (CC)

Holyfield: 3 years: Thomas, Dokes, Rodrigues, Douglas (CC), Foreman (TDNC), Holmes (TDNC), Bowe (CC), Tyson (x2 NC), Moorer (NC), Rahman

Bowe: 1 year: Holyfield (x2 CC + NC), Hide, Golota (x2)

Moorer: 0 years: Holyfield (CC)

Briggs: 1 year: Foreman (CC), Lyakhovic

Lewis: 6 years: Ruddock, Tucker, Jackson, Butler, Mercer, Mccall, Akinwade, Golota, Briggs (CC), Holyfield (TDNC), Grant (TD), Tua (TD), Rahman (CC), Tyson (TDNC), V. Klitschko (TD)

Rahman: 0 years: Lewis (CC), Barrett


V. Klitschko: 1 year: Kirk Johnson, Sanders, Williams (TD), Peter, Gomez, Arreola, Kevin Johnson, Solis, Briggs (NC*)

W. Klitschko: 2 years: Byrd (x2), McCline, Peter, Brock, Brewster, Ibragimov, Thompson, Rahman
(NC*), Chagaev, Chambers (TD)

Langford: Jeanette (x8), Ross, Flynn (x2), Schreck, Ketchel, Lang, Mcvea(x4), D. Flynn, Smith, Wills (x2), Norfolk, Battling Jim Johnson (x2)

Wills: Langford (x9), Mcvea, Jeanette, Fulton, Firpo, Weinert

Jeanette: Johnson, Mcvea (x2), Ferguson (x2), D. Flynn, Ross, Jim Johnson (x4), Carpentier, Pelkey, Langford (x2), Norfolk (x2)

Mcvea: Carter, Martin, Jeanette, Langford (x2), Pelkey, Jim Johnson, Will (x2)

 

Ok, this time I've weighted it as follows:

2 points for every year they were champion
6 points for every fighter they beat in the top 10
7 points for every fighter they beat in the top 5
8 points for every fighter they beat who was the highest ranked at the time
9 points for beating "the man"
4 points for beating someone who was or would become "the man"

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from what i can gather these guys were ranked at the time of the fight, any mistakes spotted though and i'll change what i can :good

 

Not really relevant to the thread. More of a technicality. There is a thread on the front page about linear champs however

 

That's what the * is for, just listed him as a former champ.

 

On my sister thread to this one i've looked at guys who were top ranked at any point in their career.

Both foreman and frazier rank a lot higher in that list.

 

Yes definitely!

The pre 1920's contenders were increasingly more difficult to nail down with conflicting reports and guys from the lower weight still being regarded as credible challengers for the heavyweights and ofcourse any incomplete records etc. I found it difficult deciding who to include and who not to.

Would greatly appreciate any help!

If it isn't too laborious you could also look at the sister thread to this one that has a slightly broader spectrum!

 

I think I need to remove choynski from fitz's resume as well because it was a middleweight fight by my reckoning.

 

Well of course in simple points system without context or interpretation will never work perfectly.

However, modern champions get more credit for unifying belts than old champions would for fighting their number 1 contender.