Heavyweight Champions + Notable contenders resume against current top ten opposition

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    Then do it. Go ahead and do it. Stop crying about Wilder ffs.
     
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  2. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Corbett beat Choynski for the amateur championship, and later in the pros.

    When Choynski fought Corbett in the pros, he had not only already been amateur champion, but had fought in finish fights.
     
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  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    The Ring has been caught taking bribes from Don King.
     
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  4. lufcrazy

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    Someone posting the old police gazette ratings would be very good indeed. Something tells me he has no intention of doing that.
     
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  5. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    Excellent work.
     
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  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And when Tony Tubbs fought Riddick Bowe, Tubbs was a former heavyweight champion and a national amateur champion and World Cup champion. But he wasn't ranked the month Bowe fought him. So Bowe gets no credit for fighting him.

    That's my point. I know who Choynski is. But where was he ranked at the time they fought? You don't have a guy a 100 years later throwing everyone who became top fighter later in just because you recognize the name ... and then don't include modern fighters who are names because "THAT MONTH" they weren't ranked when Bowe fought them.

    That's what's bull**** about all this.

    That was my point.

    And if you can't point out where Choynski was RANKED, then no points.

    You don't give some fighters where you can't find ratings a pass, and act like a dick to modern fighters.

    Statisticians don't do that.

    That's why these types of things always **** me off. Nobody uses accurate information FOR ALL the fighters ... and when you point that out, they act like "you don't know what you're talking about so I won't discuss it with you."

    I could give a **** who "MATT" ranks a century later. How were they actually ranked when they fought matters most when that's how you're awarding points.

    How does Marvin Hart have more points than Foreman? Because they nitpicked who they'd include in Foreman's and gave Hart points for fighting everyone with no rankings to back it up except who "MATT" thought they was "pretty good" at the time.

    And people go "Great job!"
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  7. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Have you got any regular rankings from the 1880s? Because if not asking where he was ranked at the time is a completely pointless question.
     
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  8. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lufcrazy, please explain to me why Carnera gets no credit for his successful title defenses against Loughran and Uzcudun when they were both rated in The Ring's Top 10 at the time? Am I missing something?
     
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  9. lufcrazy

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    There's a few things wrong with this.

    Firstly, I've done something similar where I included people who had been ranked at any point, not just the month there were fought. Someone asked me to do this, so I did. In fact that's the very reason this thread got bumped, someone was on the other thread and asked for this one.

    Secondly no rankings are as simple as "pretty good" I told you there's a thread were the rankings of every HW from 1882 to 1922 are given, you just won't take the time to read it, because you aren't actually bothered about the answer, you just want to moan about non issues.

    Thirdly, every fighter I did was nitpicked, that's pretty much the point of the thread.

    Fourthly, it isn't about who gets as many points as other people, the formulae can change to whatever you want, it more about compiling the data for each of the listed fighters.

    Lastly your solution about using organisational rankings is God awful, but if you have the inclination to do that, then do thay. Your solution about using police gazette rankings was good, but without access to all of those rankings I really don't know what you expect from me.

    Do something similar. Do what I did, but using your polcia gazette and all the alphabet rankings of the organisation for which the fighters claimed to be champions. Although we know you won't do that, because again, you just wanted to cry and moan without any form of construction.
     
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    I think it was because I was reliant on the ring archive from boxrec, and in the year Carnera fought them, they weren't ranked.

    Now usually in this case @hhascup corrected me to fill me in on the specific monthly rankings.

    If he's still around these parts hopefully he'll clarify!
     
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  11. lufcrazy

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    Cheers for the info.

    Well it was a made up formula anyways, but if you plug his data in you'll see what total he comes out with and can compare accordingly.

    Not just me this thread has existed over 10 years and no one has spotted that until now. Maybe Carnera just doesn't get a lot of love at all.

    As for confidence, absolutely none. People should always look things up themselves. I made a spreadsheet based on Matts rankings pre 92 and rings post 92. There'll be many other errors that haven't been picked up. There was no algorithm, just me cross checking lots of things so human error is bound to occur. Don't have any confidence in it whatsoever.
     
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  12. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Believe me, they were ranked. Uzcudun fought Primo on Oct. 22, 1933, and Paolino was ranked no. 8 in the Ring's Sept, Oct., and Nov. ratings.
    Loughran fought Carnera on March 1, 1934, and Tommy was ranked no. 2 in Feb. March, and April.

    So how does this affect Carnera's ranking according to your system?

    I haven't done any checking on your underlying statistics at all. This just leaped out at me on a first read.

    (Note: I've deleted a couple of injudicious sentences which I regret having written.)
     
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  13. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    His data is fine. He put a lot of hours into it, relax. The big Italian oaf will get his due. Did you check up on if Leroy Haynes was rated top 10 for rematch when he battered Carnera all over the ring?
     
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  14. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not my job to check!!
     
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  15. lufcrazy

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    No worries at all. I'll include the two you listed.
     
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