Heavyweight FOTW #4: Lewis v. Mercer (bonus: Mercer v. Cooper)

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  1. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lewis vs Mercer
    keep the cards coming....only 6 so far.

    Lewis won on all 6 cards, but our rounds are very split so far!

    1 Mercer 4-2-0
    2 Mercer 5-1-0
    3 Lewis 5-0-1
    4 Lewis 5-1-0
    5 Mercer 3-2-1
    6 Mercer 4-1-1
    7 Lewis 5-1-0
    8 Lewis 6-0-0
    9 Lewis 5-1-0
    10 Lewis 6-0-0

    Lewis nearly swept the final 4 rounds making him the clear winner so far. Also holding a 6-4 edge on our consensus cards for 96-94 by consensus.

    All cards for Lewis
    @Pat M 97-93
    @mrkoolkevin 97-95
    @McGrain 97-93
    @Man_Machine 96-94
    @TBI 96-94
    @PhillyPhan69 97-94
     
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  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Yeah, one of the things that's surprised me about this series is how easy it is to see a round differently than I had even a few years ago.

    I was curious about your view on Round 6. You wrote that it was inarguably a Lewis round, I called it even, and everybody else scored it for Mercer.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    Yes, I was just looking at that on the capture above. I literally score completely in line with the group apart from round six, which I don't even identify as close.
     
  4. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Funny it was after round 6 that Stewart told Lewis you let him steal that round and your behind on the cards. I don’t think Stewart was trying merely to motivate him, but rather felt Lewis lost that round (I agree) and was behind on the cards. I also agree and had it 3-2-1 Mercer at that point. Either way it seems to have prompted Lewis to close stronger successfully as evidenced by our cards. Either that or Mercer didn’t have the engine to fight that pace over the final 4?
     
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  5. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why does my auto correct keep changing Steward to Stewart.....aaaaauuuggghhhh
     
  6. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wow bro, can’t believe you are the only one to score this so far. I was out of town over the weekend or would have too. I will look at it tonight or tomorrow and get mine out there too. No since tabulating anything if it is just us lol. Looking forward to comparing cards
     
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  7. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Yes I remember Ray saying in the ring after his schooling at the hands of Larry Holmes that he needed to learn how to box. In the Lewis fight he showed a much improved left jab that is what made it a tough fight.
     
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  8. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    I'm gonna watch it tonight and submit my card.
     
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  9. PhillyPhan69

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    Mercer vs Cooper

    My memory let me down on this fight. I remembered it as very close and scored it wide. The judges had it wide and I did as well, but think the rounds were closer than the cards might reflect. I think Mercer clearly controlled the fight and won convincingly, but wouldn’t say he dominated IMO. Also their stamina was **** poor, and punch stats won’t reflect that. After the 3rd round I felt Mercer fighting strong for a minute and the final 2 minutes fairly close. Mercer and cooper would throw a ton of punches but most had no power or energy behind them. Then a quick powerful combo followed by 10 punches with nothing on them....part of the reason punch stats are nearly useless in scoring a fight. Onto the card:

    1 Mercer 10-8
    2 Mercer (Mercer 20-17)
    3 Mercer (Mercer 30-26)
    4 Mercer (Mercer 40-35)
    5 Mercer (Mercer 50-44)
    6 Cooper (Mercer 59-54)
    7 Mercer (Mercer 69-63)
    8 Mercer (Mercer 79-72)
    9 Cooper (Mercer 88-82)
    10 Even (Mercer 98-92)
    11 Mercer (Mercer 108-101)
    12 Mercer (Mercer 118-110)

    The only issue I have with the judging is the guy who scored Cooper 106 had to have a 2nd 10-8 round...not sure which round could be scored that way apart from 1? I would like to know what the 2nd 10-8 round was?
     
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  10. salsanchezfan

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    Just finished Mercer-Cooper, as it was highlighted last week on a thread here and I'd not seen it, with them being heavyweights and all.

    Good fight. Both are limited bangers without a hell of a lot of science in what they do, but they both came in motivated and ready to fight thill they dropped. They damn near did. Mercer drops the slow-starting Cooper with a straight right in the first, then they settle in to a grueling, mauling battle on the inside. Mercer has some difficulty initially getting through Cooper's peek-a-boo guard, and throws some awkward-looking things, but he soon opens up to the body and with uppercuts, opening Cooper up better for some straight punches.

    In the sixth, Mercer's jaw becomes horribly swollen and disfigured, and it takes him about three rounds to get his bearings again. Credit to him for fighting through that, it had to be awful. Cooper as always has those sneaky-short punches that he throws inside the bigger man's wide shots but he doesn't do it enough, and is pushed off balance by Mercer. In the final two rounds they've pretty much had it, and they coast a bit, which they've frankly earned. Mercer even jabs and dances in the 12th as much as his failing legs allow.

    1. Mercer, 10-8
    2. Cooper, 10-9
    3. Mercer, 10-9
    4. Even, 10-10
    5. Mercer 10-9
    6. Cooper, 10-9
    7. Cooper 10-9
    8. Mercer 10-9
    9. Mercer 10-9 (Mercer seems suddenly awake again)
    10. Mercer 10-9
    11. Mercer 10-9
    12. Mercer 10-9

    117-111 Mercer
     
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  11. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good card and analysis! I also don’t really enjoy HW’s. Give me Jr Fly through MW’s any day although my real love is Bantam to Super Feather.
     
  12. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I liked this fight. I enjoy watching Cooper fight, he is good on the inside and he is good with the short punches. His problem is his preparation, it seems like he lacks the confidence to go all out for an extended time and it's probably because of his out of the ring lifestyle. He always seemed to be conserving energy. If he had lived clean and trained full time he probably had the inside skill, power, and toughness to go a lot farther than he did.

    Mercer looked to have one of the worst injuries a fighter could have against a hard puncher like Cooper and he had the heart and toughness to stay in the fight. I scored the fight closer than you guys did, but I might have given Cooper some close rounds because I enjoy watching him fight.
     
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  13. salsanchezfan

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    Lewis- Mercer

    1. Lewis
    2. Mercer
    3. Lewis
    4. Mercer
    5. Mercer
    6. Mercer
    7. Lewis
    8. Lewis
    9. Lewis
    10. Lewis

    Lewis- 96-94

    Good fight I suppose. I can see why some are up in arms about Mercer being screwed, but it doesn't pan out that way on my card. The latter rounds see Lennox jabbing and moving and giving ground, which feels like an acquiescence of sorts when the guy you're forcing into that position is 6'5" and hits like a freight train. It feels like it should be a victory for Mercer, but he's still outlanded and outfought down the stretch.

    Those who are late do NOT get fruit cup.
     
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  14. PhillyPhan69

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    Lewis- Mercer

    1. Lewis
    2. Mercer
    3. Mercer
    4. Lewis
    5. Mercer
    6. Mercer
    7. Lewis
    8. Lewis
    9. Lewis
    10. Lewis

    Lewis 96-94
     
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