Heavyweight FOTW #8: 1985 Triple (Thomas/Weaver, Holmes/Williams, Tubbs/Page)

Larry Holmes - Carl Williams
0-1
0-2
0-3
0-4
1-4
1-5
2-5
3-5
4-5
4-6
4-7
5-7
5-7-1
6-7-1
7-7-1

143-143 - DRAW. 143-142 Holmes or 143-142 Williams would be fine too.

Very close and competitive fight, Williams won most of early rounds by outjabbing the great jabber Larry Holmes. Probably Williams' best career performance

 

Just watched this a couple of hours ago....not sure I have ever scored it? Or if I have seen it since fight night? Yes Pacheco sucks and we have had 3 or 4 with him since we started FOTW and he may be the worst of the worst!!!! Absolute dreadful nonesense, especially when he pretends to be inside of their head knowing what they are thinking. I also think he helped to foster the narrative (29 seconds into the fight lol) that Williams was out jabbing Holmes....and it is a partly true narrative but incomplete imo as well. I think Williams our jabbed Holmes for 3 rounds. In the 4-7th I think he out jabbed Holmes for periods (primarily the first minute of the round) and got out jabbed in the later part of rounds. In 8-12 I think again his jab was nice but they were equally jabbing well, one thing that really stood out to me was that Holmes was jabbing to the body much better than Williams who rarely did so....perhaps the versatility of Holmes jab was lost on Pachecho? In the last 3 rounds I think Williams still did solid work behind and off of the jab, but was certainly not our jabbing Larry at that stage, I think this was a good technical fight between 2 strong jabbers, but don’t really feel like Williams was out jabbing Holmes in totality even if he did so for portions.

Anyway not an exciting fight, but 2 very skilled Jabs, and a more tactical technical strategic type fight imo....well worth the watch but not ever FOTY worthy excitement to beckon you back again and again.

Pat and I had 5 rounds different but I suspect that will FW the norm if we get more cards. Some close rounds, some lackluster rounds, some rounds where a guy starts well but finishes slow making it difficult to award with clear certainty.

RBR
1 Williams (10-9)
2 Williams (Williams 20-18)
3 Williams (Williams 30-27)
4 Holmes (Williams 39-37)
5 Williams (Williams 49-46)
6 Williams (Williams 59-55)
7 Holmes (Williams 68-65)
8 Holmes (Williams 77-75)
9 Holmes (Williams 86-85)
10 Holmes (95-95)
11 Williams (Williams 105-104)
12 Holmes (114-114)
13 Williams (Williams 124-123)
14 Holmes (133-133)
15 Holmes (143-142)
Holmes 8-7 or 143-142

Tale of 3 fights for me
1-6 Williams controlled w/Holmes only winning 1 round
7-12 Holmes controlled w/Williams only winning 1 round.
13-15 tied up and Holmes closing down the stretch taking 2 of 3 on my card.

Hope to see a few more cards. I just read an article on how Williams was robbed...I don’t see it. I think you can make a case for him winning but not an overwhelming case imo

 

Was Williams robbed?

https://www.thefightcity.com/holmes...bbery-bad-decision-mike-tyson-george-foreman/

 

Good analysis, I think Williams might have gotten a draw in the battle of the jab, but Holmes won the battle of the right hands. Williams just didn't do enough to win but his athletic attributes made it a hard fight for Holmes. Williams looked more than an inch taller and he had long arms. If Holmes had fought people like Williams before he would have probably been more effective, but for Holmes, it might have been the first time in his career that he fought a taller, longer opponent who was fast.

 

Since this weeks FOTW didn’t start till Wednesday I will wait till this Wednesday to tabulate our scores. I still need to rescore Tubbs vs Page (can’t even remember if I watched this one?)...so come on and rewatch these fights so we can get some diversity of opinion.

 

Hey bro just getting around to scoring this now...quick question did you score that as a KD in round 2? It looked like a flash KD but I can’t tell if the ref called a KD or a slip? Any idea

 

I didn't score it as a knockdown, I believe it was a slip. Don't envy you watching and scoring that fight. Two fighters that are too familiar with each other and too much alike - in this case it makes for IMO, an uneventful fight.

Didn't Thomas only have 2 or 3 amateur fights? It seems like I read that somewhere. He was a physical talent, but he was probably not as skilled or experienced as a lot of his opponents. Plus, didn't he have drug problems on and off during his career? The way he punched and the way he took a punch in the Weaver fight was impressive. The guy became a champion, he had the potential to be as good as anybody.

 

Just got done round 10. I thought the first 4 rounds were pretty fun, but the lulls in action and pace have long since been evident. Decent tactical fight, but it seems both are lacking in conditioning and stamina as they try to pace themselves for 15

 

Tubbs vs Page
I am glad there was no sequel even though they fought a few times as amateurs. This was the first time in FOTW that it took a lot of effort just to continue watching lol

Officiating mediocre/ok I don’t feel like I know if the slip/KD was ruled a slip or KD and can’t find anything in a write up? So if anyone knows please fill me in and I will alter my card if necessary. I did not score it a KD our if uncertainty.

Commentary was mediocre and they were listless, but in their defense neither fighter gave them any reason to show enthusiasm. Even though they were mediocre or poor this must have been a difficult night to do their job

I have no confidence in my card and frankly don’t care at this stage. I agree with @Pat M and every round could be scored even.

RBR
1 page
2 Page
3 Tubbs
4 Tubbs
5 Tubbs
6 Tubbs
7 Tubbs
8 page
9 Tubbs
10 Page
11 Page
12 Tubbs
13 Tubbs
14 Tubbs
15 Tubbs

10-5 Tubbs but I don’t feel like either guy did enough to ever rewatch this. These were some of the longest 3 minute rounds I ever recall. It felt like it should be over and the clock would show 1:30 left and it already felt like 3 minutes.

I really feel bad because I think this was on my list of 100+ fights I sent to @mrkoolkevin lol

 

I think the round you were talking about was ruled a slip.