Heavyweight Greatness: Wladimir Klitschko vs Rocky Marciano

1. I said the Qawi fight was at cruiserweight, therefore doesn't enter into the conversation when comparing heavyweights. Obviously. It is a zero factor when discussing heavyweights. When discussing Holyfield's accomplishments and ranking, any fight fought outside of the heavyweight division does not factor.

2. Marciano was not a cruiserweight. It is historically unfair of you to say that he was a cruiserweight. There was no such thing as cruiserweight.

3. Yes, it can. Louis beat Jimmy Bivins and Lee Savold, both top 10 heavyweights, in the fights going into the Marciano showdown. Louis got wiped out whereas George won a good 4 rounds against Holyfield. Plus, Louis is better than George anyway, just to get all bases covered there.

4. Well, don't we have the beauty of retrospect? You put extreme emphasis on the Foreman win because of what he did afterward going on to become champ again. Well, how about we be "historically fair" and look at what Tyson went on to accomplish. After the Holyfield fights, what did Tyson do to get the respect you give Holyfield for beating him?

5. Turmoil regarding his health? Since when did these things factor into the quality of a win. By the way, Holyfield is still fighting... once again, retrospect. When he was fighting, people were claiming he was the GOAT or soon to be GOAT, just like people claim now about Wladimir. Retrospect my friend.

6. The size disadvantage that Holyfield faced against Bowe was similar to the size disadvantage that Marciano experienced in all of his top level bouts. Besides, it's not as though I've ever seen Bowe in a top 10 list at HW, so it's not the same excuse as James J. Jeffries losing to Jack Johnson now is it...

7. I never discounted the Holyfield win over Bowe. Just reminding you that he was twice beaten by more decisive manners to the same guy. Just like how one could mention that about Marciano's controversial SD win over LaStarza their first go around to remind why his KO of him in the re-match was as big of a deal, but few do because most haven't taken the time to familiarize themselves with the era Rocky fought in. Same with Holyfeilds' win over Moorer.

I don't like your tone and sense some unwarranted animosity in your posts for some reason...

 

People are stupid.

Marciano is either one of the best HW's ever or he is the undisputed GOAT cruiserweight. Actually, that's not true. If someone were dumb enough to classify Rocky as a cruiserweight, which several people on here have, they'd have to do that for half the ATG HW's. So, I guess to those people the top 10 cruiserweights of all time are all, in fact, heavyweights.

 

Bra, ****ing, vo. Thank you!!!

 

exactly. you cant compare someone who is 6'7 with someone who is 5'11. so all this joe frazier vs wlad or this thread are so stupid, because with time human body evolve and got bigger. back in the days 5'11 was big and now its around 6'3, that simple. for me whats important is the style a boxer fights and how much action he puts in fight and therefore marciano >>>>>>>>>>wlad!!!

 

Marciano is greater than Wladimir. No doubt. He was just a small heavyweight (190 pounds), but nobody could beat him.

 

H2H Wlad would murder Rocky.

People tend to get so excited when talking about legends in the sport. Bring them to our time, and you'd be surprised how mediocre they'd be. Very few top names 50 years ago would be able to even break a top 5 in our time, as athletes got bigger, stronger, more cautious and use better steroids

 

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Who cares that Marciano would be cruiserweight if he fought today. He was fighting in a different era. What matters is that Wlad has 16 title defenses compared to Marciano's 6 and Wlad has been top HW for twice as long as Marciano.

 

Rocky's a lockup on top 5 ATG list, there's no doubt who would win in a H2H, but Rocky is greater then Wlad.

 

Marciano is a total fantasy!

He really has no impressive wins against credible peak opponents.
His career is shithouse! He fought fighters with a recent losing streak more than 50% of the time!

Deep into his career he is still fighting cans, some with 5 losses on the trott.

The guy was a ****ing joke, and it says allot about americans being ignorant that you flap on about the likes of calzaghe being over rated, yet a BUM like marciano is regarded as HOF.
Marciano is not fit to wipe Wlad or Vitali's boots!

Marciano is not even top 100 HW of all time, and today he would not even dominate the cruiser weight devision!

 

You could flip it and look at ages

Marciano 9 years younger than Walcott
Marciano 2 years younger than Charles
Marciano 6 years younger than Moore
LaStarza 4 years younger than Marciano
Marciano 8 years younger than Louis
Layne 5 years younger than Marciano
Cockell 5 years younger than Marciano
Marciano and Matthews about the same age

Wlad 6 years younger than Byrd
Wlad 3 years younger than Brewster
Chagaev 2 years younger than Wlad
Haye 4 years younger than Wlad
Wlad 1 year younger than Ibragimov
Chambers 6 years younger than Wlad
Wlad 1 year younger than Brock
Peter 4 years younger than Wlad

Wlad is generally older than or of a very similar age to his "best" opponents whilst Marciano scored his 4 best wins (Louis, Moore, Wallcott I and II) over men at least 6 years older...only Byrd was that much older than Wlad.

 

People discredit his win over Moore, but Moore went back to LHW and won the title again, or defended it. One of those.

 

Wow, go watch another sport, you know zero bout boxing. Most boxing experts, fighters, and historians have him in their top 5-10, let alone top 100. Shut the **** up you clueless moron.

 

But Rocky fought 4 ATG p4p . . . wlad fought . . well . . . he fought.