Heavyweight H2H: Order Fluctuations With Fading

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  1. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Heavyweight H2H: Order Fluctuations With Fading

    I thought it would be interesting to see how the order that the 12 heavyweight boxers from this predetermined selection are placed in by members fluctuates from their peaks to selected faded versions.

    Instructions:


    1. Firstly rank the fighters in order of how you perceive their H2H ability in relation to each other at their respective peaks.

    2. Then underneath, place them in the order of how you perceive their H2H ability in relation to each other in terms of selected faded versions.

    The Selection (Unordered)

    Joe Frazier (Peak: 1971) (Faded Version: 1973-Foreman I )
    Sonny Liston (Peak: 1959) (Faded Version: 1964-Ali I )
    Larry Holmes (Peak: 1981) (Faded Version: 1985-Spinks I )
    Muhammad Ali (Peak: 1967) (Faded Version: 1971-Frazier I )
    Evander Holyfield (h/w Peak: 1993) (Faded Version: 1995-Bowe III )
    George Foreman (Peak: 1973) (Faded Version: 1977-Young)
    Riddick Bowe (Peak: 1992) (Faded Version: 1996-Golota I )
    Mike Tyson (Peak: 1988 ) (Faded Version: 1990-Douglas)
    Lennox Lewis (Peak: 1997) (Faded Version: 2001-Rahman I )
    Jack Dempsey (Peak: 1919) (Faded Version: 1926-Tunney I )
    Rocky Marciano (Peak: 1952) (Faded Version: 1955-Moore)
    Joe Louis (Peak: 1938 ) (Faded version: 1947-Walcott I )

    Notes:

    This is not intended to serve as a definitive list involving the best 12 heavyweights in H2H terms as opinions vary greatly and I want people to use these fighters for the purpose of this activity.

    I realise that there will be differing opinions about how faded each faded version is and I do not claim that they are equally faded.

    If you disagree with the peak year of a boxer, then write the year you believe they were best in next to their name in your peak ordering of them.

    Enjoy .:deal
     
  2. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Why would you leave Louis and Marciano off the list?
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol::lol:
     
  4. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    As I noted the list includes the fighters that I felt like using, it is not a definitive list of the best 10.
    I suppose I could include more than 10 fighters, such as adding Rocky Marciano and Joe Louis, which faded versions of them do you think I should use?
     
  5. TommyV

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    I'd probably say the '47 version from Walcott I, as for Marciano I don't reallly know, I suppose if we are talking 'faded' with him it would have to be the oldest version of him we saw, so possibly from the Cockell or Moore fights.
     
  6. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Thanks TommyV, I'll make amendments to turn it into a list of 12.
     
  7. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    A lot of rules , but i will have a stab at it. Not shure i agree with all of the dates for peak and faded but i will use yours here it goes.

    Peek.
    1) Muhammad Ali
    2)Lennox Lewis
    3)Joe Louis
    4)Mike Tyson
    5)Larry Holmes
    6)Evander Holyfield
    7)George Foreman
    8 )Riddick Bowe
    9)Joe Frazier
    10)Sonny Liston
    11)Jack Dempsey
    12)Rocky Marciano


    Faded.
    1)Lennox Lewis
    2) Larry Holmes
    3)George Foreman
    4)Muhammad Ali
    5)Evander Holyfield
    6) Rocky Marciano
    7)Joe Louis
    8 )Joe Frazier
    9)Riddick Bowe
    10) Jack Dempsey
    11)Sonny Liston
    12) Mike Tyson


    A little dissapointed Valuev isnt there but i do understand its hard to pick a faded patch for such a constantly superb fighter.
     
  8. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    Would love to see your list Kalasinn.