Heavyweight PED use, itemized

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  1. cross_trainer

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  2. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Those Ring rankings are annual, per Boxrec. Monthly rankings would probably include guys who missed the cut here, like Botha and Wach.
     
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  3. Heisenberg

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    In defence of Holyfield, technically he never failed a test as far as I know so he shouldn’t be highlighted in red. I know this is like saying Lance Armstrong never tested positive either but hey, I doubt there’s been a clean heavyweight in the top ten since the 1980’s
     
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  4. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mike Tyson should not be in this list. Cocaine and weed are not steroids, nor did he use them in order to be a better boxer.
     
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  5. cross_trainer

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    They are, however, on the banned list. Cocaine has long been considered a potential performance enhancer, since at least Dempsey.
     
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    Nor did Morrison fail a test, despite admitting to steroid use.
     
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    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They are on the banned list cause of the negative image they bring to the sport.
    Since you used the term steroids, I think we should stick to stuff like HGH, testosterone, etc

    Anyway, Roidyfield is the definition of a doped boxer.
     
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  8. NoNeck

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    Guillermo Jones probably should be listed.
     
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    Good point. He was a borderline case -- positive test, but I don't think it happened when he was at heavyweight, did it?
     
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    He got caught using diuretics for a fight with Lebedev at cruiser but has fought plenty of times at heavyweight.
     
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  11. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Thanks.

    The reason that I focused on PEDs actually used by heavyweights when they were heavyweights (not for the rankings, but for the list of PEDs used) is that I wanted to filter out all of the drugs used by lighter-weight fighters to make weight.

    But yes, for collecting info on PED/drug use of people who competed at some point as heavies, Jones is a great example.
     
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  12. Journeyman92

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    Lennox as you said before was on deals that happened to straight up say they wouldn't test.
     
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    I mean looking at him for instance against Lewis should really make it obvious. Dude was 240lbs with abs at 5ft9.
     
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  14. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Plus, it would be a little weird if Tyson cheerfully used fake genitals to pass urine tests for cocaine and weed, but wouldn't dream of using more typical PEDs.
     
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  15. Journeyman92

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    I’ve never understood why people give him a pass on that and just take him at his word. “He admitted to everything else” well, boxing is literally his entire legacy and roids would take that away in a lot of peoples eyes. Secondly, he implied using PEDs multiple times in old interviews at his lowest. Do you remember the “Everyone was on something” interview?
     
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