On a scale from 1 to 10, 10 obviously being the hardest, which heavies would you place at 10, 9.5, 9 etc. This is based on punching power. Not who best combines hand speed and power but power itself and displays of it vs quality opponents (if it was about a combination of hand speed and power, Louis and Tyson would be clear winners) You can only go up and down in increments of 0.5. So 9.5 is ok but not 9.75 Mine: 10 - elite in terms of raw power. I rank Foreman, Liston, Lewis, Shavers, Wlad, Tua, Wilder etc. here. 9.5 - close to 10's. Tyson and Louis are here IMO. They might have had very slightly less raw power but had extreme hand speed to make up for having slightly less raw power (though they had plenty of raw power). Both Joe and Mike displayed one punch power so while i think their raw power was slightly less than a Foreman, it was close enough. Slightly controversial but i also put Marciano in here. I think Rocky was an unusually hard hitter despite his size. IMO he had the power to ko much bigger men. I don't think he hit as hard as a Lewis or Foreman but he packed serious power in both hands. In this category, i also rank someone like Ruddock. He had a huge left (his left was a 10) but didn't have a big enough right. Whereas the guys in the 10 category had great raw power with both hands even if one hand was stronger than another. 9- hard hitters below elite level. Bowe is a great example. Ibeabuchi is another. I don't think either of these guys were one hitter quitter types. I think they wore guys down with substantial weight and power. Others in this category : Anthony Joshua, Ron Lyle, Frank Bruno etc. 8.5 - slightly less than 8.5 guys but guys who could produce serious knockouts from time to time. Tim Witherspoon is a great example. Joe Frazier is another. Frazier had a sizzling left hook but it wore guys down with speed, precision and endless endurance. His right wasn't great. (and i am a huge Frazier fan, he is #8 on my atg list but we are talking raw power here) 8. good punchers who could produce the occasional stoppage vs top fighters by demonstrating raw power. . Ali is a great example here- see his left hook stoppage vs hard hitting durable Bonavena or the dynamic right hand that helped tko Lyle. Holyfield is another one- he had a underrated left hook that he could use to hurt much bigger men and he knew how to get every ounce of his energy into those punches. 7.5 - fairly hard punchers, above average but nothing to write home about. Larry Holmes is a good example. I know some people think he hit harder than Ali but i don't buy it. Ali's display of power vs durable opponents like Bonavena and Lyle is enough to convince me that Ali hit harder. Holyfield's left hook also packed more power than any of Holmes's punches. (And before anyone attacks me, i have Holmes #3 on my list of ATG heavies) There are guys who i find it hard to classify. Usyk is early in his career as a heavy and his left is clearly a good punch but he has yet to stop a notable heavy. I would classify Usyk as a 7 - 7.5 but he could move up if he can display more of his power vs a durable heavyweight. Fury is a guy who i struggle with. Maybe an 8.5? He is a mamoth who has a strong right hand now but other than against Wilder, we haven't necessarily seen him utilize his power. He seems to be sitting down on his punches more now so perhaps his best displays of power will be in future.
@McGrain and/or other mods, can you please move this to classic boxing forum? I accidentally posted in wrong forum.
I'm fluid on Fury at the moment but he's got some work to do against someone not named Wilder before i grant him an 8.5. He might end up there but i need something more.
Lol Wilder wasn't a elite puncher. He has never knocked out a world class fighter. Tyson Fury isn't a good puncher at all. I would put his power to be average for heavyweight champion level
Are we doing every name heavyweight fighter that's close to ATGness? Where do we rank guys like Tommy Morrison, Ray Mercer, Michael Moorer, Oliver McCall, Corrie Sanders, Bert Cooper, Samuel Peter, Cleveland Williams, Ken Norton, Floyd Patterson, Jerry Quarry, Mike Weaver, Bonecrusher Smith, Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tucker... We can make quite the list now can't we?!
Joe Frazier had a great right, you can see it in the second Quarry fight and some moments in the Ali rematches. He said he usually didn't throw his right unless he knew it would land. Have to give credit to the left hook knockouts he did produce, he has a great KO to win ratio.
It must be asked: does this mean *effective power", that is the ability to KO guys with things like speed, precision, accuracy, volume, combinations etc-& the things that are done to even make victory more likely, like defense & endurance? This sounds like what is being evaluated-especially when you specify against elite competition. I think when one says "power" it should be exactly how hard one can hit. Not other factors-which may be more important, such as the opponent not being able to brace against or even see the attack. But if you make it about how well one can land KO blows, that will get a very different answer. It is interesting to make it about overall striking strength-overwhelmingly it is meant to mean how hard one hits with any blow, does not matter if the punch types are "well rounded". I think this should only be used as a tie-breaker. Even some of the clear 10's in terms of raw power will be lower IF we make it about effective power. Maybe nobody hit as hard or harder than Shavers-& not just with the overhand right-but if you make it about effectiveness against top competition, he drops considerably. Maybe at most a 9. But I think effectiveness is more of a "puncher" question. A Louis or Tyson score very high here. But I think neither is very close in Raw Power to the top hitters-& many very inferior punchers & fighters.
Take Liston down. He exclusively displayed his 'power' on men 20-30lbs lighter than him (cruiserweights). Also Wilder doesn't deserve a 10 rating.
Disagree. Lewis seemed to have more raw 1 punch power. Turned the Bruno fight around with 1 punch, had Tucker down twice, demolished Ruddock and Botha in 2. In comparison Tyson's power did not look as devastating against the same common opponents.
Earnie Shavers did not knock out Larry Holmes in two fights; Mike Tyson it is. This content is protected