Heavyweight power (scale 1 to 10)

No, he should not.

 

Thanks man.
Many folks cannot realize that while the top KO artists have a lot of power, that does not mean they are at or necessarily even near the very top for professional fighters.

They mistake admirable other talents & effectiveness allowing KOs with raw power!
By that logic, KO king The Old Mongoose would be considered the GOAT in firepower.
When in reality he was a superb fighter, unreal longevity, did not even have much of any decline until retiring near 50...

But could not have more than a 7 or an 8 in sheer force or impact of his individual punches.

 

Sure, the KO of Bonavena was in rd 15, so both guys had worn some punishment in the preceding 14 rds.

However, Ali’s left hook really stood out as a singularly effective power shot. A great punch. Less often noted is the even shorter, powerful left hook that Ali landed just prior to the even more powerful hook that dropped Oscar. That punch also carried some oomph.

For an analogy, Shavers landed plenty on Roy Williams during their fight but still receives credit for the singularly powerful shots he landed to put Roy out for a later rd KO. In fact, I think it was a right hand that also stopped Roy Williams in his tracks to set up the number of shots that followed from Earnie.

I thought the Lyle stoppage was more than. just. Ronnie was rocked to his heels by the single right hand, sending him staggering back. Ali piled numerous shots in, many connecting hard, sending Ron skittering to the other side of the ring. It should also be noted that the ropes in part were allowing Lyle to stay on his feet.

Ali even paused for a moment, looking to and expecting the ref to stop it. Still no intervention, so more shots and finally a left hook that ripped Ron’s head right back - the type of shot that could be a precursor to a fatality. All during Ali’s offensive Lyle didn’t throw a single shot back and was staggering all over the place.

It took a second or two before a clearly dazedly Lyle reflexively and briefly protested the stoppage but he still didn’t have legs under him and appeared still more than rattled.

 

Just as I interpret some of the terms.

RAW POWER : being whatever the Absolute Power of Punch is with little or no technique in support or at least as much stripped away as we can imagine.

Absolute Power of Punch: being Force Impact, the finite force released upon impact. Imo, SPEED can also be considered a RAW ingredient to absolute punching power or raw power. However, SPEED can also lend itself to the effects of the punch unseen, not braced/prepared for - usually to the most vital area, the head - the full effects of which should not necessarily be read as a true implication of absolute power/force impact.

I guess we can also invoke the term NATURAL PUNCHERS, those who rely on RAW POWER more than anything else, The opposite of the above me might be termed a TRAINED PUNCHER, someone who properly utilises TECHNIQUE in combination with their RAW power for whatever absolute power of punch/force impact that yields.

It’s difficult to completely divorce the consequences of a punch/opponents reaction to same but obviously certain variances have to be accounted for such as the opposition’s generally upheld resilience and the particular target area(s) and their relative vulnerabilities.

Suffice to say, plenty to consider, with certain attributes relevant to the measurement and/or perception of RAW power, with other attributes again not so relevant and needing to be divorced from the equation.

If we could’ve had the absolute power of all these fighters measured by a machine - the results might be very surprising.

Those measurements could also provide as a false positive since fighters might execute a one off punch, fully intended for power on a static object far differently than they would release their “best” punch, a moving target, harnessed within their skill set.

It would be interesting to properly consider more easily isolated instances of absolute single shot power in actual combat. Break it right down. As an initial offering I would put forward the Louis left hook that KD’d Galento. Of course there was a the preceding right hand but I’m focusing on the fact that the left hook literally lifted 233 lbs of Two Ton off the deck and onto his back.

Don’t ask me HOW Galento got up from that punch, particularly combined with the just prior to landing of Joe’s power right hand, but stripping all else away, I think it was a great advertisement for Louis’ absolute power - resulting from his RAW POWER (supported by RAW speed) and immaculate technique.

Not to argue the specific point here, while I know many might disagree. I actually afford Shavers’ more technique, speed and accuracy than what others might. Shavers didn’t just club Holmes down. He hit Larry with a perfectly executed, fast, well timed overhand right (Larry was moving into it a bit also), right on the button with all his weight in the punch. Earnie’s right hand on Ali in the 2nd was somewhat similar in quality. Personally, I think there’s at least a few things to strip away even in Shavers case before trying to gage his true RAW power factor.

 

Where do you rate the Mayor of Kiev?

 

If an untruth is repeated enough times...

 

9.0

 

Holmes kinda weatherd that storm didn't he?

 

Lyle was done.

 

Yes he was. Well done. Begging for a fork to be stuck into him.

 

God. I don’t even need to read this thread to know what kind of answers there are.

“X had more raw power doe”

“His was more like clubbing”

“But Z was more explosive”

“F was just accurate and fast”

pseudo science dribble on a topic done to ****ing death. Heavyweight is a puddle and a sh1t division.

 

Last I remember Fury was known as a pillow fist right up until he KO’d Wilder.

 

Not a coincidence he was over 270 lbs when he did so. As I said a punch from any man that size will hurt. Conversely Wilder almost downed Tyson at less than 212 lbs.

 

I dont understand the question.