Heavyweight size - An objective look on the modern "super-heavyweights"

It started with Bowe, then Lewis took it to the next level, then Wladimir took it to another level. Now Fury has set the bar.

Joshua seems to be over Lewis but under Fury.

 

I wouldn't be so sure about Fury. He's a tough match up for Klitschko but we've yet to see if he can be dominant against all kinds of decent contenders

 

Lewis was the first SHW. At least, the first true ATG SHW, I guess Bowe can be considered before Lewis, but I have Bowe around #25 and Lewis around #4.

 

Even if he's #25 he was the first that combined such Size with Skills.

Holyfield would have been a force in the 70's that's for sure.

Edit: We don't now just how good Theofilo Stevenson or Felix Savon would have been...

Sad story.

 

You are right.

What I see in Klitschko is Size, straight line speed combined with Power and technique.

One of Klitschkos downsides is his mental panic mode that boosts his muscle bound stamina issues.

But the greatest weakness of Klitschko is his face skin and bone structure above the eye.

Just look at the low punch output Fury tagged him with: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AxevmnXq-w#t=92m21s[/url]

Then watch Klitschko's face afterwards: [url]http://e2.365dm.com/15/11/768x432/wladimir-klitschko-tyson-fury_3382857.jpg?20151129093637[/url]

That is what I believe will happen if he opens up. He wouldn't gass out, but he would get stopped due to cuts...

 

People are getting bigger in general. Asian's are eating more protein, they are much bigger than they were just 30 years ago.

I am 3 inches taller than my father, he was 6ft 0", and I'm 6ft 3.

I married a 6ft 0" woman, and my 2 sons are looking like they will top out at 6ft 5" or 6". They will probably marry someone else who is tall, and therefore their children will be equally if not taller than them.

It'll get to a point where you will see a flattening off of the increase in the height people, but it will be another generation at least away.

 

HWs have even gotten bigger in THIS generation.

Lewis was a giant who had reach, height and weight advantages over basically everyone.

He was 6'5 and about 240-245 in his prime.

Most top 20 HWs are at least that size now

 

James Toney was ranked above Klitschko and was earning more than that against Rahman.

Who was Wlad to be calling out Toney with such a low purse?.

The same argument is made to excuse them ducking Valeuv. They lowballed him on top of presenting him with a slave contract they knew he'd refuse.

The era was dreadful .

 

So out of Lewis, V + W Klitschko, Valuev. Which one of these fighters has Toney pursued? And why did her pursue guys like Ruiz and Oquendo instead? You don't see a pattern here?

 

Wlad was a regression of Heavyweights. A basic , one dimensional , manufactured hype job. He isn't a quarter of the boxer that Bowe was.

Bowe and Lewis would never , ever , ever go life and death with a complete bum like Sam Peter .

Fury is a throw back to guys like Bowe and Wlads wires short circuited against him after only a few rounds.

 

Wlad was a non issue after getting blown out by Sanders and Brewster .

 

Agree with the most on here that the skilled bigger man generally has an advantage over a skilled smaller man, and that it's natural that heavyweights (or should we call them super heavies) are getting bigger (and generally faster) over time.

Time is not frozen for any sport, including boxing.

 

Peter was small enough to have toney outbox him with his superior skills and Huck beating povetkin but those small guys the size difference between Klitschko and them is just too much.

 

Exactly, 2-3 inches is not the end of the world.

Povetkin is a small Heavy. But in the 70's I think he would be a beast.

Sub 6''3' fighters:

Foreman
Povetkin
Tyson
Ali
Holmes
Holyfield
Haye
Ibeabuchi
Louis
Adamek
Cunningham
Jennings
Takam
Tua
Tucker
Chisora
Stiverne
Liston

 

Exactly that. This is important. Saying the old glorys would succumb to today's champs is not disrespecting them, is not considering them weak, or unworthy.

In ALL the other sports, from athletics to tennis to whatever, this is pretty much generally accepted and a given. Only boxing desperately tries to keep grab on old legends. Unable to move on.

It's time to evolve- not even that, just to accept the evolution that already happened.