I hate him because I rank him in the 12-15 range? I don't hate Dempsey, quite the opposite. I am just dismayed at the unequal standards by which he is ranked. If a Lennox Lewis or Wlad has plowed through the type of opponents that Dempsey did, they would be lucky to sneak in the top 50.
My point exactly. You don't like having your personal opinion's bashed then don't bash others'. Especially when theirs is FAR more common (you're the only person I've seen that has Patterson in their top ten).
Well for a start it would prove that you are very, very firmly in the minority with your own personal opinion. Similar in a way to those few who believe the Earth is flat. That is the closest description i can think of.!
I don't really think anyone rates Dempsey solely or even in large part on resume. His resume isn't that good. Not bad, just not good. Very average imo. Probably as average as you can get. That's just how I feel about it right now. On a side note it is very unlikely that any heavyweights other than Tyson or MAYBE Liston could go through his resume from 1918-1923 and score those kinds of knockouts in 2-3 rounds at the most. H2H ability makes up most of his rating as well as his skill set which is incredibly underrated. His defense was impeccable for such an offensive pressure orientated fighter as well as his offense being incredibly efficient. Hardly wasting a punch with nearly every one doing visible damage to the fighter even if only a little but more so than other fighters.
We all rate differently. I have no problem with Dempsey being anywhere from number 3 to number 13 (I personally have him around number 10). I would struggle to see Patterson in a top 10, though (I have him at 30). But each to his/her own. That's the joy of forums such as this.
Certainly was not your point let's be honest with each other here. I'm absolutely fine with having mine bashed, that's why I'm on a forum, to bash others aswell. Especially when they're just a bit mad, like yours. Several of your opinions in there, as I pointed out are far far less common than any of mine. Patterson is in at 10, there could be any number of people in there. The differences you'll see there would be huge from person to person. Having Liston at 3 however, is just insane. In a top 5 like . Why are you talking about common opinions anyway? An opinion is self made, if yours come from seeing what others think then maybe that's your problem, think for yourself (although Liston at 3 would show you probably do, just badly). If common opinions matter to you, then this thread must be a hurtful one for you. Look at how many people disagree with you. My top 10 is firmly in the minority? Ok. Can I ask what that proves? (Even though that's probably very untrue. Flat earthers definitely believe Sonny Liston is a top 5 heavyweight, and put Joe Louis at 2 because they don't know who he was but everyone else has him at 1. The earth isn't flat man, I'm sorry to tell you
What are you going on about mate? You wanna talk about how many people disagree with me? Everybody disagrees with you. Not one person on this thread other than yourself have Patterson in their top ten. Not one!