Well, okay, but still where do you have him compared to Marshall? Above? Below? How far apart roughly?
You actually don't know anything about Hostak or Apostoli do you. Your post illustrates that emphatically. You said Mills was a career lightweight! It's blatantly obvious that you know nothing about either Hostak or Apostoli. Telling you that Hostak beat: Baby Joe Gans Babe Risko Freddie Steele Glen Lee Steve Belloise Anton Raadik And that Apostoli beat Georgie Abrams Melio Bettina Glen Lee Young Corbett111 Freddie Steele Marcel Thil Solly Krieger Lou Brouilard Means nothing to you as well, because you know nothing about them either! You said Farr was a novice when he fought Marshall when he had actually had 120 fights! You also said Walcott was a novice when he lost to Maxim, yet he weighed 192lbs and was the number 3 ranked heavyweight that year! Maxim is mainly known for beating Robinson? He also beat Floyd Patterson Jersey Joe Walcott Gus Lesnevich Ollie Tandberg Freddie Mills Curtis Sheppard Red Burman Lee Oma Nate Bolden Bob Murphy Danny Nardico Jimmy Bivins That's another 4 world champions and 8 ranked contenders! Johnny Risko was a lightheavyweight contender?When would that be ? He weighed 190lbs at the age of 22!lol Marshalls best weight was in the low 160's yet he beat a career heavyweight who was good enough to go 15rds with Joe Louis and give him a competitive fight! See how stupid you continually make yourself? The only world class boxer Marshall beat was Jake Lamotta ,that is your statement. I'm very pleased you have stated this, there is nothing like a cretin displaying his own lack of intelligence for your entertainment. Here are Marshall's most prominent victims. Tommy Farr Freddie Mills Ken Overlin Bob Dunlap Jake Lamotta Joey Maxim Jack Chase Johnny Romero Ezzard Charles Curtis Sheppard Charley Burley Shorty Hogue Babe Risko Anton Christoforidis Teddy Yarosz Lou Brouillard Nate Bolden Fitzie Fitzpatrick Holman Williams According to you," only Lamotta was world class." You are without doubt the most ignorant and stupid poster this forum has ever been saddled with. It gave me great pleasure to expose your ignorance with my Grigorian thread.I could have made one saying . "Was Lloyd Marshall A Second Tier Fighter.Rasta Silly Bollocks Says So" But the answer is so obviously no, there was no need to do so. Keep posting your ridiculous and outlandish dross it is occasionally amusing if never informative, except as an insight into a severely limited and damaged mind. If," ignorance is bliss." You must be in a constant state of euphoria!
Still haven't learned about irony then? What are you talking about? It was finished then you brought me back into it again you moron
it's to hard to make a list cos of the time dimensions. 1. Ali 2. Holmes Is certain in my book. Think Marciano is way underrated cos of his small size... the guy was a freak of nature... You have to consider Foreman. And Tyson was also very good for short period. Lewis,Wlad,vitaly,witherspoon are worth mentions.
"Comebacks" also throw the list out of whack. Tyson would have been on most people's list until he cameback and stuck around long after his prime. Foreman cameback and moved up on many people's list winning the HW title when he did. Holmes is another one that kind of tanked out later in his career effecting his status. Marciano left at the top of his game, which is one reason many don't rate him highly.
Here's my top 90 lists, filter the top ten HW guys from it if you so desire. 1 Ray Robinson 2 Pernell Whitaker 3 Roy Jones 4 Willie Pep 5 Muhammad Ali 6 Eder Jofre 7 Jimmy Wilde 8 Marvin Hagler 9 Ray Leonard 10 Roberto Duran 11 Ezzard Charles 12 Benny Leonard 13 Joe Louis 14 Thomas Hearns 15 Henry Armstrong 16 Jose Napoles 17 Salvador Sanchez 18 Wilfredo Gomez 19 Floyd Mayweather 20 Manny Pacquaio 21 Roman Gonzalez 22 Jack Dempsey 23 Rocky Marciano 24 Joe Gans 25 Julio Cesar Chavez 26 Miguel Canto 27 Alexis Arguello 28 Ruben Olivares 29 Sam Langford 30 Sandy Saddler 31 Gene Tunney 32 Charley Burley 33 Archie Moore 34 Carlos Zarate 35 Michael Spinks 36 Andre Ward 37 Billy Conn 38 Gennady Golovkin 39 Kid Gavilan 40 Carlos Monzon 41 Sonny Liston 42 Bernard Hopkins 43 Fighting Harada 44 Vicente Saldivar 45 Manuel Ortiz 46 Ricardo Lopez 47 Mike Gibbons 48 Emile Griffith 49 James Toney 50 Luis Manuel Rodriguez 51 Bob Fitzsimmons 52 Jimmy Bivins 53 Carlos Ortiz 54 Bob Foster 55 Packey McFarland 56 Eusebio Pedroza 57 Dick Tiger 58 Juan Manuel Marquez 59 Evander Holyfield 60 Azumah Nelson 61 Lennox Lewis 62 Marco Antonio Barrera 63 Wladimir Klitschko 64 Erik Morales 65 Mike Tyson 66 Stanley Ketchel 67 Larry Holmes 68 Jeff Fenech 69 George Foreman 70 Oscar De La Hoya 71 Vitali Klitschko 72 Barney Ross 73 Shane Mosley 74 Tony Canzoneri 75 Jersey Joe Walcott 76 Joe Frazier 77 Aaron Pryor 78 Floyd Patterson 79 Wilfred Benitez 80 Pascual Perez 81 Nicolino Locche 82 Jung-Koo Chang 83 Antonio Cervantes 84 Khaosai Galaxy 85 Winky Wright 86 John Conteh 87 Miguel Lora 88 Yuri Arbachakov 89 Orlando Canizalez 90 Pancho Villa
That list looks like it took a lot of work. Sorry you had to go thru all that for such a sh*tty result.
I took a very long time indeed. You have no need to apologise, the beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
What wins does Grigorian have to compare to: Lamotta Yarosz Burley Charles Chase Williams Maxim Mills ??????? Six of Marshall's defeats came after the age of 35 when he, a natural middleweight was fighting light heavies. Marshall had 99 fights, for a few of which he is believed to have gone into the tank,his record is 70-25-4 Grigorian had only 39 bouts so it isn't surprising he doesn't have the losses Grigorian has! Grigorian features in the Ring's top 100 fighters for three years . 2001=79 2002=85 2003=88 Marshall has wins over 8 Hall of Famers and was inducted himself in 2010. Grigorian none.
Grigorian only held the WBO title and his defences were against nobodies for the most part, only three of his challengers were ever Ring ranked and then not when he fought them.In his years as an active fighter he never ranked higher than79th in the Ring's top hundred and was only featured for 3 years.He was a protected fighter who defended against journeymen.
