Heavyweight Tournament with a Twist: The Winner...

The thing about LPR is that one of the most important things is the speed to land the first punch. With no gloves, even the smaller punchers presumably have much larger punching power. this is why, even though size is still an advantage, many of the smaller fighters were able to hold the title. In fact, once gloves came in, champions started to get bigger and Fitzsimmons (and arguably Tommy Burns) are the only two light heavies who were ever able to win the title. IMO, speed of punch is more important in this type of fight (it is one of the reasons why i think Ali is grossly underated under these rules and would surprise you). But leaving that aside, it is quite possible that Tyson is faster than Jeffries and will beat jeffries to the punch. And Tyson's headweaving will make it near impossible for Jeffries to land clean and there is a real danger of Jeffries brittle hands having troubles. And Tyson from memory was usually pretty accurate with his shots particularly you would think on Jeffries who was open to being hit it seems. Stylistically, under LPR Tyson actually has many advantages. In fact arguably he is a better chance against Jeffries than under Queensbury rules. I think Jeffries is grossly overestimated under the LPR rules.

 

Any mythical tournament where Mike Tyson comes out on top of all the other all time greats is bunk. I don't care what the rules are.

 

So which opponent beats Tyson? Fitzsimmons, Dempsey or Jeffries

 

i don't know...jeffries cut his gums out of his teeth during a fight, tyson quit against holyfield after a couple of headbutts. modern rules i've little doubt tyson destroys him but in THIS type of fight completely different skills and attributes are required

 

One of the things, which does puzzle me about LPR rules fights is the KO thing. Every single fight i have ever seen involving two guys who can really fight starts and ends the same way. A 5 or 6 punch combination that knocks the opponent down and usually out.

And this is fighters who are not at the upper echelon of world class, and not even heavyweight fighters. Admittedly the chins of guys they are fighting are not ever anything to write home about, but still it is hard to imagine someone like Tyson, Lennox, even guys like buster douglas or Frank Bruno throwing barenuckle punches and not scoring early KOs.

Yet, as Janitor points out, this is the norm not the exception. If this is the case, wouldnt it tend to suggest that maybe the punching power of teh LPR era had not really reached World class Level? In fact, with poor teaching skills available, it is possible that it had not really reached national level or even modern professional level?

Obviously Sullivan and Fitz were exceptions, but it is hard to imagine modern fighters at the top level struggling so much in bare knuckle fights. Although perhaps, others who may have more exposure to higher level fighters than i have in bareknuckle situations may be aware of fights where the skilled fighter has not been able to hurt his opponent with bareknuckles.

 

I think this would come down to 3 things
1. Size. Reach advantage still matters
2. Who's hands can take the most punshment. Gloves areto protect the hands
3. Who is the most durabile. Not who has the best chin but who can get knocked down and get back up, again and again.

 

Basically, it comes down to these , and if they are as big as this guys ,you probably win .:good

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First of all what the hell is that^?
Being bigger means more punching power. Punching power is Mass (the size of the source) + Speed of the punch + Distance the punch travles.
Also having longer arms than one's oppoent means that you can hit and not be hit. So like I said size matters.