Hello, here’s a typical tournament for anyone interested. Bracket 1: Ali vs Tyson Fury vs Louis Bracket 2: Holmes vs Marciano Liston vs Lewis Bracket 3 Johnson vs Frazier Wilder vs Bowe Bracket 4 Holyfield vs Foreman Dempsey vs Patterson Victors from bracket 1 faces 2, 3 faces 4 15 round fights, every fighter at their peak.
Tyson beats Ali Louis beats Fury Holmes beats Marciano Liston beats Lewis Frazier beats Johnson Bowe beats Wilder Holyfield beats Foreman Dempsey beats Patterson round 2 Louis stops Tyson in 11 Holmes UD over Liston Frazier stops Bowe in 11 Holyfield stops Dempsey in 8 Round 3 Louis UD over Holmes Frazier SD over Holyfield Round 4 Frazier beats Louis
First Round 67 Ali vs 88 Tyson, Ali TKO11 38 Louis vs 15 Fury, Louis TKO8 80 Holmes vs 52 Marciano, Holmes TKO14, cuts. 57 Liston vs 97 Lewis, Liston KO8 71 Frazier vs 10 Johnson, Frazier TKO12 92 Bowe vs 18 Wilder, Bowe KO4 73 Foreman vs 92 Holyfield, Foreman TKO4 18 Dempsey vs 57 Patterson, Dempsey KO3 Quarter Final 67 Ali vs 18 Dempsey Ali UD15 73 Foreman vs 38 Louis Foreman KO2 80 Holmes vs 92 Bowe Holmes UD15 57 Liston vs 71 Frazier Liston TKO4 Semi Final 67 Ali vs 57 Liston Ali UD15 73 Foreman vs 80 Holmes Foreman TKO3 (complete 50-50 imo) Final 73 Foreman vs 67 Ali Ali UD15 Ali wins imo, although I'd have him losing to Wlad, Lewis and Frazier. Slightly wounded that Lewis lost at the first hurdle.
yeah I generally pick Ali over Tyson but I give Tyson a better chance than most on this forum. Since I figured 99% of people would pick Ali I decided to go Tyson Lol...but it does not matter to me as Louis would best Tyson or Ali so to me it was a mere formality.
I don’t think you properly read the OP? Ali is group 1 Dempsey is group 4. They can’t meet until the finals. Oh well
Even Eddie Futch conceded that Ali would beat Joe Louis after holding he couldn't for a while. Ali does what Billy Conn (who was at 174lbs ) does but better. Ali psychological destroys Tyson then takes him into the deep waters and drown him. His ATG Heart, ATG Chin and ATG will to win are better than Tyson's let alone his footwork and killer jab.
Sure go on then Second attempt Round 2 Ali vs Louis, Ali UD15 (sorry Philly) Holmes vs Liston, Holmes UD15 (50-50) Bowe vs Frazier, Frazier UD15 (I'd favour Bowe SD12, If it was 12 obviously) Foreman vs Dempsey, Foreman TKO2 Round 3 Ali vs Holmes, Ali UD15 (50-50) Foreman vs Frazier, Foreman TKO4 Round 4 Ali vs Foreman, Ali UD15. Well, that went to **** didn't Philly. Can't argue with Foreman over Frazier.
Interesting. I’m also in the camp that foreman and Louis turns into a quick, high action brawl with foreman emerging the victor. Do you see Ali being susceptible to tall, smart boxers?
I’m in the Ali camp my friend. How do you see Louis vs Ali going? Louis vs Tyson is too close to call for me, they both have the assets to beat and ko the other.
No, just Wlad and Lewis who have brilliant lefts and the size to land them. I think that they'd pull Ali about in clinches and land lefts more heavily and frequently than Ali would be landing. I think they'd both get stopped over 15, but for fighters who only ever fought 12, I schedule my mates for 12. Other tall smart boxers like Fury, Vital and indeed Terrel would not do well.