Heavyweight Tourney: Final: Vitali Klitschko .Vs. Jack Dempsey

Boring is subjective and I don't find him even a little boring.

 

Anyone who thinks Dempsey from 1919 to 1922 is gonna beat / KO Vitali Klit from 2003 to 2009 is out of there mind......... Dempsey had his share of flaws just like everybody else who's boxed past or presently...... Vitali Klitschko is in a whole different stadium than prior Dempsey victims like "Willard and Firpo." Christ sakes, people need to get a cup of coffee and wake-up to 2010....... Klit by bloody TKO over Dempsey.....

MR.BILL

 

I guess most everyone here is crazy then. By the way, how the hell can you justify ranking Vitali #6 among HWs. Let's talk about that Bill...

 

Simple..... Cuz I truly believe that V.K. is the kind of fighter / champion with a winning attitude that would enable him to have fought in any era between 1887 thru 2010 and be a winner for the most part.......

V.K. is the first or second hulking heavyweight that I have ever seen who is a real ring general who rarely loses a round or a fight........ I also credit V.K. with fighting better competition than his haters or detractors give him.......

If old farts and dreamers want to insist that guys like "Jeffries, Dempsey, Baer & Marciano" would be successful as fighters / champions in the post 1960 era of heavyweight boxing, well, then I feel inclined and comfortable by placing V.K. in at # 6 or 7 on my ATG list of heavies from 1887 to right now in '10.....

I just don't see V.K. being beaten by anymore than a handful of former great fighters........ V.K. rates high on my personal scale..........

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I'll second all of this, right down to the point about not being particularly impressed with either fighter

What I will say is, that in my hypothetical fights, I allow either fighter to wear their own gloves, and the ruleset is safe. So no complete mauling, but both men are allowed to operate.

I think this will be a closeish fight mainly because I'm not sure I'm that impressed by either Willard or Firpo on film. However, Dempsey showed all the attributes you listed, so I agree; Dempsey can win.

And with his gloves I think he'll probably punch Vitali's face in to force a stoppage in around 11. Personally I feel Marciano would've outpointed Vitali.

 

Well you have certainly nailed your colours to the mast there.

This is a maverick opinion.

Perhaps you are a bit like Nat Fleischer getting captivated by the genius of Bob Fitzsimmons and thinking he could beat anybody from 1910 onwards?

 

Quite the contrary...... I think that guys like "John L. Sullivan, Battling Nelson, Bob Fitz, Tom Sharkey and Benny Leonard" were great fighters / ringers for their day and age, but I also think boxing has advanced a great deal and the training & dieting part has improved, along with the science as well......

And, in my opinion, Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klit are the best "Hulks" who were or are over 6' 5" tall and can weigh easily 250 pounds and be fit to fight a championship bout....... I think these guys either were or are the goods..........
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MR.BILL


Note:

A more reasonable and perhaps enjoyable war would be to pit Bobby Fitz of 1897 against Jack Dempsey of 1920-circa into a time machine and see what happens there......... I find that dream fight of interest..........
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I think you're saying that you rate purely on H2H. Otherwise, there is zero justification for rating him that high. I hope my instincts on that are right. You're still very generous on VK, either way.