Heavyweight Tourney: Rd 2: Wladimir Klitschko . Vs. Jim J. Jefferies

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Well some historians of the time disagree with you and think Jeffries was an all time hitter. We have been over this before, and I posted you the testimonials. I don't think reposting it will change your mind, because I have posted it before. Perhaps we should focus on three other things.

    1 ) Jeffries record has little fat on it compared to others. Even a big puncher like Langford didn't stop everyone. Jeffries KO'd 6 of 7 title opponents. As I said before, Jeffries is the lone heavyweight champion to score a knockdown in all of his fight, save the come back fight. He could punch.

    2 ) Jeffries wasn't a super aggressive boxer looking to end it early in most of his fights.

    3 ) I suggest you read Pollack's book. Those who research Jeffries often change perspective.
     
  2. mcvey

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    The people who saw Jeffries fight , for the most part did not see Louis, or Baer ,.and certainly NO super heavyweight punchers ,,and for purposes of brevity,I put Liston ,in here ,with Foreman,Tyson,Lewis,so their terms of reference are exceedingly narrow.

    Jeffries wore down his best opponents and took them out after shipping considerable punishment himself,men often over 40lbs smaller than himself . I think this is beyond dispute .

    He also never stopped a super heavyweight, that does not mean he could not ,given the opportunity,it just means the jury is still out ,likewise the durability of his chin against said super heavyweights.
    Langford was a man under 5 foot seven ,a natural light heavyweight. and in the second part of his career he was battling heavyweights like Harry Wills 6 foot three and guys like 6 foot 6 inch Tate,and 6 foot 6inch Fulton. he was going blind and often not in shape.

    Jeffries was considerably the bigger man in ALL of his contests and was usually fighting men past their prime, whereas he was in the middle of his.
    So this is a bad analogy.
    I will read Appollack's book ,I hope it is objective,and several grades above Hugh Fullerton's ludicrous" Two Fisted Jeff", which you are apt tp refer to,and which is an unashamed fan letter to Jeffries.
     
  3. Mendoza

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    Read the book then. The testimonials and damage to the other fighters might impress you. Again, Jeffries took out Corbett and Fitzsimmons with 1 or 2 power shots for clean 10 count Ko's. He put Griffin out for the count according to a old ring magazine article with a huge right hand. The ref could have counted to 30. In those days, there were few TKO mercy stoppages. Getting a KO was earned, and Jeffries KO% compares favorably with history's best punchers.

    By the way size had little to do with anything in those days as there were no top level fighters above 220. Jeffries did Ko Dunkhorst in a ex match inside 3 rounds, and he was at least 240.

    Again, I think this is a case of you not exploring the material. Also, Two Fisted Jeff is a rare book. Have you read it? If so, where did you buy it. A name of the collector would be needed here to satisfy me, or an Internet link :) I get the hunch you are simply implying Two Fisted Jeff is fiction for the purpose if this thread.