Heavyweights punching power then and now

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by RonnieHornschuh, Jun 19, 2007.


  1. stuistylee

    stuistylee j.c.chavez superstar Full Member

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    hes not tall but hes big so thats y butterbean kicks
     
  2. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Feel free to laugh at the Bean all you want but I wouldn't want to take a right hand from the guy.
     
  3. brown_bomber

    brown_bomber BROWN BOMBER Full Member

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    put macca in the ring with david haye then we'll see how hard he hits, haye will kill him :D
     
  4. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Lewis knocked Ruddock down three times in 2 rounds enroute to a stoppage.
    Tyson, a few months earlier couldn't stop him in 12 rounds. He did stop him in 7 before that, but that was a premature stoppage, one of the worst i've seen.

    Lewis stopped Botha in 2, Tyson needed 5. I know, bad comparison because Tyson was in **** shape and old, but then again, you also compared an old Holyfield vs Ruiz to a prime RJJ vs Ruiz.

    The other fighter that they have in common is Bruno. Tyson stopped him in 5 & 3, Lewis needed 7 rounds. To be fair though, Lewis basically stopped Bruno with the first power punch he landed, Tyson didn't.


    And why was 210lb Foreman the biggest puncher of the 90's?
    Because he couldn't knock glass jaw Morrison out or even down in 12 rounds? Because he knocked Moorer (another glass jaw) out after 9 rounds? Because he couldnt stop Stewart (stopped by Tyson and Holyfield), Schulz or Briggs?
    That's a ridiculous claim. And since when is Foreman 210lb? He was 250+ lb in the 90's and 217 at lowest in the 70's at his peak.
     
  5. Malph

    Malph Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You cannot measure punching power by trying to guess it by who did what to who (though that can give you some clues). There are too many variables to consider. To really judge it, you would have to have some sort of device that could measure the power. I don't think it exists as no one has been able to figure out how to measure it accurately. The old formula power = mass x velocity-squared of some-such is flawed as well.
    There are plenty of speedy guys out there (Paulie Malinaggi ) with no power whatsoever. There are also fairly slow guys with a seemingly a lot of power. Clearly mass has something to do with it...but from a scientific perspectvie, I am not sure anyone has figured out to model "punching power" and cannot therefore measure it. The same phenonon exists in trying to measure the stopping power of various firearms projectiles. A lot of smart people have tried to come up with way to measure this but there is no concensus over how to do it and thus no agreement on which gun has the most stopping power. Same with boxing.
     
  6. macp

    macp Member Full Member

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    you mentioned 4 pitchers. there are what, 30 teams now? how many teams d'ya think have 4 pitchers on their own team that can throw over 90? and im just talking about set-up men, and minor leaguers.

    Face it, athletes are bigger, stronger, and faster now, boxers are no exception. this is just natural evolution. people are how many inches taller on average now compared to 50 years ago? how much has life expectancy increased? boxing does not defy science and fact.
     
  7. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Louis Monaco, Jimmy Thunder, David Tua, Earni Shavers, Tony Halme, Ron Lyle show that punching power alone isn't a guarentee of success.
     
  8. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Speed = power. Technique = power. Speed + technique = lots of guys getting knocked the **** out. Examples: Ali and Quarry both stopped opponents cold while moving backward. There are no heavies (or cruisers) on the scene today who can do that.