Heavyweights.... when will this division wake up?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by kirk, May 7, 2010.


  1. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    I was thinking about the top fighters at heavyweight, and the truth is, i dont see heavyweight as THAT bad.....
    IMO, the problem with heavyweight isnt the fighters that are there, but that NOBODY is going out there and fighting eachother on a regular basis.

    Lets break it down. Some of the top fighters (give or take a few)

    Wlad - 3
    Adamek - 1
    Haye - 0
    Vitali - 2
    Valuev - 1
    Peter - 2
    Arreola - 2
    Povetkin - 1
    Tua - 0
    Chagaev - 2
    chambers - 2
    boytsov - 0

    All these guys are eather big names, or like boytsov and povetkin, ranked in the top 10 in the world.
    When you can assemble a division with a dozen of its top fighters, and NONE of them has faced more then three of the other guys?????

    Again.... out of 12 of the best in the world, ONE has faced more then two of their peers. HALF of them have yet to even face a second. And 4 havnt even fought 1!

    Yes, i realise the reasons, im not here to discuss the reasons.... im here to discuss the solutions.

    Wlad vs Haye
    Wlad vs Valuev
    Vitali vs Haye
    Vitali vs Valuev
    Haye vs Adamek
    Haye vs Tua
    Haye vs Peter
    Haye vs Arreola
    Peter vs Arreola
    Tua vs Peter
    Tua vs Arreola
    Adamek vs Peter
    Adamek vs Tua
    Adamek vs Boytsov
    Adamek vs Povetkin
    Chagaev vs Haye
    Chagaev vs Adamek
    Chagaev vs Tua
    Chagaev vs Peter
    Peter vs Valuev
    Arreola vs Povetkin

    and believe it or not..... the list GOES ON.


    These are almost all fights that would have the boxing world talking.... and these fights lead to other fights which lead to big fights, which lead to bigger fights, which lead to SUPERfights. Yes... as strange as it may seem, the heavyweight division, IF IT LET ITSELF, could have a superfight that isnt named Klitschko vs Haye within a year and a half


    but no.... its that 'waiting game', and other various shallow political mentalities that plauges this sport time and time again, making a division that should be hot, a stagnate wasteland.

    Bottom line isnt that the heavies suck... its that nobody is fighting eachother.

    anyways, i just wanted to show that theres plenty of mouth watering fights to be had at heavy, if they would just allow themselves.

    its pretty embarresing, and makes me thankful for the lower weights (yes, im aware they have their shortcomings too with fights not being made *mayweather/pac* lol, but overall theyve done good) and the Super Six. :good

    just IMO
     
  2. esconore

    esconore Active Member Full Member

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    Asking for fights the fans want to see is asking for too much...but I agree, there's potential for great fights to get the boxing world talking.
     
  3. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good points. I see some light. But they still suck. Just not as much as I originally thought.
     
  4. Golden Boy 360

    Golden Boy 360 Boxing's Biggest Cash Cow Full Member

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    I agree, make the exciting fights and people will get interested. Klitschkos are way ahead of everyone though.
     
  5. lorenpa

    lorenpa King of Jersey Full Member

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  6. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    If he beats wlad then he is no ordinary fighter.

    I don't see him even surviving, let alone winning.
     
  7. Boxing Fanatic

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    When the Klitschkos are gone, VK leaving soon, Wlad may stick for a few. Once, VK is gone, we have an open field.
     
  8. Ripple633

    Ripple633 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The problem with the division is that a lot of these fighters don't have a nutritionist or a strength and conditioning coach in their team.

    Last year Eddie Chambers recently hired a nutritionist after he defeated Samuel Peter. I'm assuming boxers like Chris Arreola do not have a nutritionist or a strength and conditioning coach.
     
  9. Ripple633

    Ripple633 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Haye sucks. Adamek, Chambers, Chagaev, and Povetkin are decent boxers.
     
  10. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Below are the RING rankings for the last couple of years. Wladimir Klitschko faced the fighters highlighted in red.

    2006-2007

    1) Wladimir Klitschko
    2) Oleg Maskaev
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    4) James Toney
    5) Shannon Briggs
    6) Serguei Lyakhovich
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    8 ) Nikolay Valuev
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    10) John Ruiz


    2007-2008

    1) Wladimir Klitschko
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    3) Oleg Maskaev
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    5) Nikolay Valuev
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    7) Serguei Lyakhovich
    8 ) Vladimir Virchis
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    10) Alexander Povetkin

    2008-2009

    1) Wladimir Klitschko
    2) Vitali Klitschko
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    4) Alexander Povetkin
    5) Nikolay Valuev
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    8 ) Oleg Maskaev
    9) Juan Carlos Gomez
    10) Alexander Dimitrenko

    Couldn't find the more recent lists, unfortunately. The current one is as follows:

    CHAMPION: Wladimir Klitschko

    1) Vitali Klitschko
    2) David Haye
    3) Alexander Povetkin
    4) Tomasz Adamek
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    7) Denis Boytsov
    8 ) Nikolay Valuev
    9) Alexander Dimitrenko
    10) Chris Arreola
     
  11. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    The fact that a former light heavyweight champion has taken on more chances in his campaign at heavyweight than any of the other top contenders...sad.
     
  12. ko_bros

    ko_bros Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think you're not fair on Wlad. He didnt have only 2 fights with top opposition. Every single one of his opponents were top ranked, well mostly all of them. HE fought Chagaev( champ), Ibragimov(champ), Chambers (top contender), Brock( good contender), Peter ( top contender, became a title holder after the fight), Brewster(ex champ). You could add Rahman and Thompson who were better that Tua at that time.
    THe only guy whom he shoul've fought is Valuev. All others are his future opponents.
    Haye or Povetkin being next.
    I actually think that WLad's resume is impressive for the HW. Better than the rest for sure.
     
  13. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly.
     
  14. Cpt_Vodka

    Cpt_Vodka Teddy Atlas Full Member

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    Wlad should be 3 and not 2.

    Wlad fought and beat Peter, Chambers and Chagaev on that list.


    You make that sound like Adamek is bad... which he is definatly not.
     
  15. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Your right, thank you :good I wrote that before i had realised i forgot chambers and then forgot to change wlads numbers, thanks for the catch.