Speaking of Howard Davis and Ray Leonard, whom Hector both destroyed, did you check out the Howard Davis fight? Didn't look like he had much the fear of God in him. Won all ten rounds with ease :smoke
Leonard did beat Hagler mentally. You have to mind that Hagler abandoned the press tour early due to Leonard's mind games. And during the fight Hagler's wasn't his normal self with his approach during the first 4 rounds. He thought he could box with Leonard in an orthodox stance. And after the fight? Well Hagler was mentally humilated. Hagler said after the Mugabi fight at the post fight press conference. Quote: The Ring, May 1986. "I refuse to commit myself to anything until I go home and take a little rest" He was ruling out any fight in the coming months. He wasn't retired.
What mind games are you talking about specifically? Hagler isn't interested in these cheap tactics you're talking about. I heard the same thing happened with Mugabi that he replied "I'm going to knock out Hagler" after a question. Marvin wasn't interested in participating at the time either and people like yourself felt he had been psyched out. People just like to feel the opponent is getting under the skin if nothing else. The only time he involved himself was at the press conferences with Hearns since Tommy was the only person he felt was a threat. Otherwise is meaningless busll**** that goes on all the time in most fights.
I did catch several of the rounds, and Howard did have the flu for that fight, if I remember correctly, not taking anything away from Hector.
Dont get me wrong Camacho is probably an ATG, but some people on this thread disrespecting Leonard, questioning his heart, for f**k sake, this is the man who beat the great Wilfred benitez, who in the first fight with hearns fought with such courage and determination grasped victory from the jaws of defeat, the man who beat the thought to be unbeatable hagler, the man who a natural welter went up to light heavy and beat Lalonde, who i know was no great but still a LIGHT HEAVY LEONARD IS A TRUE LEGEND
A very underrated, underappreciated fighter. After Leonard retired in the early 80's, Camacho in many eyes was the best p4p in the world. Great handspeed, boxing skills, could fight on the inside and outside, and at the time had an exciting style. No ones handspeed came even close til Meldrick Taylor hit the scene. All people remember is his past prime loses to Chavez, Trinidad and DLH in the 90's. Chavez could have fought him in the 80's when both were at there best, but why take a loss and youre going for 100 straight wins right? They were both at or around the same weight both won titles at 130 and 135 around the same time as well. Accomplishments: He won the WBC title at 130, and 135 won the WBO title at 140. Went undefeated in his first 38 fights. At this point he had wins over Vinny Pazienza, Ray Mancini, Jose LuIS Ramirez, Bazooka Limon, Freddie Roach, Edwin Rosario, Howard Davis Jr., Cornelious Boza Edwards. Suffered an upset lose to Greg Haugen, revenged the loss, and past him past posted two wins over Roberto Duran and one was the only man to stopped Leonard. Definitely a hall of famer and only ever lost to the best when he was past his prime. While at 130 and 135 I cant think of many who would beat him so he has to be mentioned as a ATG. In his absolute prime 1984-1988 no one touched him.
Ray Leonard needed to beat Norris to become a true legend. Old or not, he should have destroyed Terry Norris considering his status and edge in experience. He was installed a heavy favorite to win and that was taking his age into consideration. At worst, he didnt have to lose the way he did.
Leonard lost to a hungry fighter who was in his prime. Norris was at the top of game. Leonard was just about 35 years old and hadn't made 154lbs for 7 years. Hagler lost to a fighter who had one night in 5 years. Leonard put on a great performance but Hagler was installed as a heavy favourite. Considering how he dispatched Hearns and Mugabi, fearsome punchers, he should have dealt with Leonard much easier.
Don't try to This content is protected it friend (no pun intended) 154 was probably his best weight at the time. Leonard is not a natural middleweight or had you forgotten?? Fact: Leonard had all the experience, he had the reflexes. He should have done something with it instead of just putting his glove up his ass the whole time and staring while Terry boxes circles around him. I could see the look of frustration the whole time as if Ray was asking "where did you go?" Now let's change the discussion back to where it belongs-Camacho, the man with the legendary and feared handspeed, a man who so fast it was hopeless to try and counter him. A man so fast it was as if all other opponents were anchored in one spot and who few would ever win a round against.
All of that means nothing when you lose the way he did to Norris. He wasn't supposed to lose if he was favored to win. Someone who's better than Hagler doesnt lose like that.
he didnt look like a ***** the way he tore up Sugar Ray did he? Just ask yourself this question: In the Leonard fight, who backed up in the fight? It wasn't Camacho. He made the fight. He backed up the bigger stronger man and made him cry uncle. It was so bad he had to retire for good.
and after that didnt he go on to beat Haugen, Roberto Duran, Ray Leonard, Ray Mancini, and Vinny Pazienza