Helenius" the biggest threat to the Klitschkos?

Helenius is awful. Both Klitschko's would toy with him.

 

Not in his current state. I think he's easily a Top 6 fighter at the moment at HW and I think the way he fights is very deceptive and a great tactic against smaller fighters to take a bit of their speed away, get them comfortable against him before upping his speed and throwing from a different rhythm.

The problem for him is similar to the problem Valuev would have had, it's easy to work off of a slower defense orientated style when you have significant height and reach advantages over your opposition because it's harder for them to land clean on you and easier for you to defend against their punches and keep a decent range against them.

This wouldn't work against either Klitschko who have similar reach to him and can simply bust through his guard through the different angles they can throw - he can't just march along for six rounds, wait until he spies an opening and tiredness in the other fighter and finish them off.

His footwork isn't enough to keep Vitali off of him with the angles he throws and I think he'd get busted in that fight.

Wlad at this point is the most complete HW of all time in terms of size, tactics, skill, agility, power.

 

Helenius may be the biggest threat. I don't know if he's more of a threat than Haye. Povetkin didn't look good enough against Chagaev to give the Klitschkos anything to worry about. Povetkin would be world class if he threw more punches. His style doesn't lend itself to such a low punch output

 

In my view, Adamek is the biggest threat to either Klitschko.

He has a solid chin, he's quick, has high endurance and high out put and will never lose the will to win, even in the battles he's been in, he's shown us he'll never give up. I think a lot of guys go in there against either Klitschko with better chances than Adamek, but Adamek will hold his nerve and keep trying to win.

It'll be a shame to see him savagely beaten for 6 rounds before being stopped.

 

Helenius' stamina and low work rate are his biggest problem right now. Plus I am not impressed with his defense. His chin seems OK, but he's taking too many punches from guys like Liakovich and Peter when he should simply brutalize them from the outside without taking a single punch himself.

 

No. Poor footwork, head movement and hand speed means he's mediocre at best... good accuracy and a great finisher though.

 

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he needs better conditioning. and defense would help, too. hes like a euro level fighter, his style, in that he gets hit too much, but, throws back as much as he gets hit. a better trainer would suit him just right to correct those faults he has.

 

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Originally Posted by PugilisticPower
Wlad at this point is the most complete HW of all time in terms of size, tactics, skill, agility, power.



better than Lewis?

 

Slap your head all you want, you're ignorant.

6'7, 245lbs of solid conditioned muscle with high levels of endurance, speed and agility for his size.

His footwork in the last 5 years has improved out of site, he used to be bad for crossing his feet over one another, now no matter what position he's in, he generally has a solid base.

He has always had punching power in both hands, can throw every punch in the book including one of the best jab-feint-left hook in the business. His handspeed for a HW is above average, incredible when you consider his size.

His chin may be questionable, but I think Wlad of today is much more assured and less likely to panic being hit like Wlad of 2001-2004.

He has physical advantages over almost any boxer not named Klitschko and is one of the best all round athletes at HW, let alone Super HW.

Like it or not, he turned himself from a very rough product into a diamond over the last 10 years. Steward has worked some wonders with him.

 

I believe so, Lewis was very quick for his size but not as quick as Wladimir. Lewis possessed one of the best overhand rights I've ever seen, had a great jab but also had a tendency to lift his chin and be caught.

The difference for me is that where Lewis can hit you with an uppercut, jab or strong right hand. Wlad can hit you with any punch in the book and put power on it, Wlad is also much quicker (in my view) on his feet and generally carries better tactics into his fights than I remember from Lewis.

Had they met in 2003-2004, Lewis would have KO'ed Wladimir. I have no question. Had the 1996-2000 Lewis met the 2011 Wladimir, I believe Lewis gets knocked out.

 

better than Lewis? :blood

 

This point, I disagree with. Wlad doesn't often throw the right hook, and almost never throws the uppercut. I'd say punch variation is an area he is lacking in, rather than one he excells in, personally.

 

In my opinion Adamek will be an easy fight for Vitaly... and Adamek chin don't look so solid in the heavyweight division in my opinion