HELP!!! New trainers technique conflicts with old trainers!

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  1. Big N Bad

    Big N Bad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hi guys i hope you can help cos im in quite an awkward situation.

    I've just started training with a new coach as my old one retired.

    the old guys techniques match that of old school boxing. If you read the dempsey book, you'll know what i mean.

    one of the things I was always taught was to bob and weave from the waist ala dempsey, henry armstrong, sonny liston, dwight muhammad qawi and recent fighters like joe calzaghe.

    however the new gym im at, everything technically is perfect, but the coach is trying to convince me to use my legs when i roll without bending forward. he says by leaning in i am at risk, so he wants me to roll with my legs and not bend my waist at all. Problem is he notices it instantly when I roll how I normally do, so I can t get away with it.

    I dont like this technique. My legs get tired as if im doing a squat, and in a fight you want to put unneccesary pressure on the legs, and I feel it affects the balance. And from watching all the major boxers especially the mexican fighters, you see they roll from their waist.

    Please advise me how I can get around this tough situation without leaving the gym or hurting anyones feelings...
    thanks

    regards
     
  2. r1p00pk

    r1p00pk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i know you may not like it, heck i dont like bending at the waist but my trainer expects me to. My old trainer moved so i went to another gym. My advice, i think you should follow it, there are certain situation where you can bend using your legs, and then bending at your waist. Be open to it, i learned that it only makes you better.
     
  3. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Bending at your waist exposes your ribs and ruins your balance - your new trainer speaks sense
     
  4. Big N Bad

    Big N Bad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    how could you argue against ATG like the above? they have proven it works. imo bending at the waist is less strenous on the body (legs)
    the only time i bend from legs is when im in close...too close.
     
  5. Big N Bad

    Big N Bad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrMxhu3CYww[/ame]

    heres 3 weight world champ henry armstrong doing his thing.

    even his opponents rolls from the waist at 5:00 mark.
    rolling from the legs is a bad innovation imho.
     
  6. SouthpawSlayer

    SouthpawSlayer Im coming for you Full Member

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    another one of these threads i see, big N bad listen to your coach he is teaching you the basic fundamentals of how to bend properly, you are actually doing it wrong and you think its right because armstrong done it, so prince naseems style was one you would teach every kid that walked into a gym because he was a ATG fw
     
  7. Big N Bad

    Big N Bad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    so your telling me, that jack dempsey who teaches it from the waist, henry armstrong, sonny liston, joe frazier (sometimes, in his book he teaches one thing yet does another in his fights), joe louis, dwight muhammad qawi, calzaghe, brandon rios, magarito etc etc have a style that cant be taught? are these guys away from the textbook?
    I can give you a clip of each of them fighters rolling the proper way (waist)

    i just think its a matter difference of opinion. you do what suits you.

    from what I have seen its a british thing to roll from the legs (almost like a squat!) not only does it look wrong, it is wrong.
    the americans/mexicans do the roll from the waist.

    im just gonna stick to what im doing, i just hope he gets tired of telling me.
     
  8. r1p00pk

    r1p00pk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    its strenuous for the lower back. Follow what you coach says. ATG's have bad habits and just manage to get away with it because there good.

    its like saying you should follow what tyson does, when you should do the complete opposite, he got away with it because hes fast and has the 1 shot ko punch
     
  9. Big N Bad

    Big N Bad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    thanks for the comments
     
  10. Big N Bad

    Big N Bad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :goodMr jeff thomas this is exactly how im being told not to roll
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg6XlKd6wiU&feature=related[/ame]

    4:57
    5:26 mark
     
  11. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're not going to do it the same way every time you ruhtard.

    Maybe you're like me and way taller than your opponents? Then yeah, many times you'll have to bend at the waist just to compensate for being tall. That doesn't mean it's the 'right way.'

    Did you ever notice that Dempsey and Armstrong often duck below the belt? Any ref will pick up on that. Did you also notice that they fight largely out of a crouch, meaning their legs are already bent, all they have to do is bend their waist? I know this isn't how you fight, because you mentioned your legs getting tired from using your legs for head movement. If you actually fought like Dempsey or Armstrong, you'd have really strong legs from fighting out of a crouch all the time.

    Furthermore, for all the fighters you mentioned that bend at the waist (and not all of them do it that often, and none of them do it exclusively) there's another great fighter who did it the other way. How about you learn both and go from there? If you can't get good at both then you aren't athletic and will get owned sooner rather than later.

    Have you ever watched a video of yourself sparring? If not, do it and then you might agree with your coach. When you roll from the waist you put yourself off balance. Sometimes this isn't a big deal, but usually it will be. A good opponent will take advantage, so learn some new tricks.
     
  12. Big N Bad

    Big N Bad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you sonavabitch, learn some respect

    i've already stated i dont always bend from the waist, when im in close i use my legs.
    but as a rule i still believe bending from the waist is the way to go. maybe we should tell joe frazier's, and most recently the chavez's and calzaghes that they were wrong, and that we should all listen to pussies like 'killsomething'

    time to post some clips i previously studied when perfecting this move
    8th paragraph down
    http://coxscorner.tripod.com/boxingskill.html
    UNDERSTANDING BOXING SKILL!
     
  13. brown bomber

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    Yep, its wrong- I should have rolled correctly. Using my legs to generate the movement. My bad.

    90% of what I do is wrong- it doesn't mean I shouldn't practice it right. :good
     
  14. brown bomber

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    Ken Buchanon was the worst for it - and he was an amazing fighter inspite of this shortfall IMO.
     
  15. Big N Bad

    Big N Bad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    fair enough :good
    actually i think you very good fundamentally.

    all the top fighters and trainers teach the way i was taught at first....ie freddie roach.
    nvm....what works for sum doesnt for others