HELP!!! New trainers technique conflicts with old trainers!

those fighters got away with it because they are so good, are you a pro because thats all you have mentioned

whats your record with this method, any vids would be helpful for us to see

 

Big and Bad I like you as a poster - not just coz of what you been nice about me but because your open to new ideas.... So as it turns out next week i'm going to be working on rolling with my people. So lets discuss here and see what we can find.

Tell me about how you were taught to roll?

Tell me the benefits of your method....

Tell me how you were instucted...

I'll give you my opinion first- I don't want to reveal everything but I'll give you my pennies worth on a few things....

Firstly any time your head goes over your knee in any direction- you are off balance. Try it... the position of your head is vital for a number of reasons not least to help with balance and vision (I can't go into this any further due to a certain person entrusting me with great knowledge that its up to him if I can share).

If you bed at the waist you expose your rib cage. This is a fact- by bending at the legs instead of the ribcage you can lower the risk of taking body shots....

If you bend at the waist its harder to keep your eye on your opponent and seeing in boxing is everything. Boxers do not get knocked out by punches they see coming.

Bending at the waist reduces the selction of punches you can counter with. You are in essense completely at the mercy of the shot you have anticipated so if you anticipate wrong you will be too far from your base to put anything decent together.

Bending at the waist will work. No doubt about it - Ken Buchanon did it more then any other fighter I can think of and it did work for him and his style. But at the same time Buchanon was a mid to long range fighter with very little inside work. He would roll and move at the same time- impressive really as surely to roll you have to have both feet on the floor- unless you roll/step but thats another thing entirely.

There will be some curvature (i think thats the word) of the spine as you dip and roll you won't be completely upright but that said the back leg should steer you through the movement with the front leg only providing support or taking the weight as you roll anti clockwise for a left hook counter.

I could go a lot deeper but I won't and I look forward to your alternative reply. :good

 

Also further to this BNB.... Fundamentals are the ideal way - the best practised way but in boxing I have never, EVER been presented with the ideal situation- it takes improvisation to make things work.

In an ideal world you would roll in a way that kept you in a suitably safe position to evade punches and counter attack - but rolling is a funny thing in that if you make someone miss by an inch or a mile you've still made them miss... thus its a succesful roll.

I could give you a million examples of a jab thrown incorrectly and still landing. Or a right hand landing without balance correctly proportioned or hands not in correct defensive positions.

Fighting is never perfect- but practice should be.

 

Allow me to rephrase:

This rolling thing you do. I don't think you do it like you think you do. Do you have videos of yourself fighting/sparring? Because what might feel correct doesn't always look correct to an observer, hence why your coach goes "noooooo" when you think you're rolling correctly.

And if you're set on doing it your way, just tell him "That's how I roll." :good

 

i meant vids of your great rolling lol, not duran

 

Interestingly, you cant move your Hips and Waist laterally more than 6%. So something else must be Working. :roll:

 

No its not, the reason, its to protect the Spine. Leaning 15% from the normal you are of Balance, simple Biomechnics, Bending your Back restricts Groin Psosses Hamstrings and TFL stops mobility

 

never had a coach tell me its okay to roll at the waist. always with the legs.

 

Sidestepping the point. Have you or have you not seen a video of yourself sparring or fighting?

And the boxer who rolls from the waist will most likely be disqualified or knocked out, so what's your point? If you have weak legs, do burpees.

So lowering your CoG makes it easier to be off-balanced...nice. And you know that most movements in boxing are not natural. That's why it's difficult for even the most athletic newb to handle a newb with a few months more experience. Just because it feels right doesn't mean it is right.

Dempsey fought out of a crouch position. He was already through the leg portion of the movement before he even started. You can't roll exclusively from the legs or waist. The point is that you need to at least incorporate the legs, or you're just bending over. And that's just gonna get you ****ed :tdh

(no really. refs will take points and opponents will hit you in the ribs and the top of the head.)