HELP!!! New trainers technique conflicts with old trainers!

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by Big N Bad, Mar 15, 2012.


  1. Big N Bad

    Big N Bad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yes the same with my experience. but that doesnt make it right because more coaches say its ok to roll from legs. i simply looked at pro boxers, and what worked for me.

    its ok to slip from the waist, why not a simple roll ?
     
  2. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    This. Fundamentally, waist movement has to be accompanied by movement of the legs, otherwise you're just exposing yourself necessary in a multitude of ways. All of the infighters and swarmers you've mentioned who champion waist movement fought out of a crouch, or in the case of Toney, out of an angled defensive shell at a low center of gravity. As KillSomething said, it's best if you record and post a video. Your coach probably wants you to incorporate more leg movement, especially if you're tall, because as you said, few fighters if any can bob and weave with no waist movement at all and solely leg crouching. If you want help, like you've said, some footage of you shadowboxing and practicing your defensive upper body movement would give us more of an idea of what you're doing VS what you should be doing, and if there's any discrepancy.
     
  3. Big N Bad

    Big N Bad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    im assuming you are on about amatuer boxing regarding the DQ. cos they strict about head going low.

    im not saying there is zero movement from legs, i'd say its a 90-10.

    regarding dempsey and armstrong already fighting from a crouch...watch the tapes. you cant fight for 12+ rounds with your legs in a semi crouch. it will slow down your movement big time aswel as tire you out.

    watch dempsey fights and you will see a guy in a normal stance below (ie legs)
    the only reason it appears he's in a crouch is because he goes so low down with the BnW, which i dont do always.
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWnDscx3jlQ[/ame]
    watch this guy, he doesnt fight out of a crouch, his legs are in normal position, he just goes low down with the head movement (waist).

    show me ONE....just ONE boxer who does it your way. i will make it even easier, he doesnt even have to be a world champ or ex WC
     
  4. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If he is your trainer and you trust him? Buy in. If you don't trust him? Move on. You cannot be effective in training or practice using methods you doubt.

    There is a middle ground though if you believe some of the stuff your old trainer was teaching is quality. Buy in completely with the new and when you feel you have the new trainers respect and methods down? Talk to him and show him some of your ideas. Maybe even execute in sparring sessions so he sees that it is not only sound in theory, but also in practice.

    I am no trainer, but I have been training/sparring for a few years. Over time you get an idea of what works and what will get your head knocked off. You constantly see a new crop of guys in the gym practicing 8 punch same arm combos or these giant wind up body shots. From that I feel that from a trainer's perspective he kind of wan to focus on what he feels he knows "works".
     
  5. r1p00pk

    r1p00pk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you seem content with not using your legs, leave the gym. Honestly if you dont like it then thats too bad, you pay for what you get. The lower back gets stressed more , you should do some squats if it hurts your legs. It works fine with me. Get used to the fact that your going to be using your legs, after you get spent the same amount of time using your legs as your waist then you can judge.


    And tyson, he bobs and weave using his legs.
     
  6. I admit i havent read whats going on but with new trainers, if you have faith in your new trainer take on what he says early on then when you grow to respect each other more, then you will be able to put your older methods back into use.

    Its confusing for the trainer if the student is not doing what you're trying to teach them, try to think of it objectively
     
  7. Big N Bad

    Big N Bad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    this advice and from 'thejokerswild' is what i should do i believe :good

    i will simply do as he asks of me, when we get to know each other more and he can see my method works in sparring, he should let me continue doing me thing.

    as thejokerswild said, it wont look right if i dont listen to him, especially if im new to the gym.

    to the other guys...defensive moves- head movement comes mainly from the upperbody.
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HWEd8R_-i4[/ame]
    i can keep posting vids all day, but heres tyson slipping and rolling from the waist. 5:25 for example.
    if he's using his legs, why is he leaning forward then?
     
  8. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    [ame]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1nVEOoqhy74[/ame]
     
  9. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    [ame]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ct2jCu7y9Y[/ame]
     
  10. Big N Bad

    Big N Bad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    great vid.
    it further proves my point. the only time these guys use their legs to roll under a punch is when 1) they are too close to their opponent or 2) they are stepping to the side whilst rolling which is fine.

    but most of the rolling done by pep is from the waist :good

    i would say my roll looks like the guy at 4:00...cant remember his name but know he is an awesome defenise wizard, never being stopped!

    you see my trainer doesnt even see that as acceptable...he says your torso cant bend forward at all. im simply gonna do as im told until we have enough respect for each other where he will be willing to listen to my ideas.
     
  11. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Oh I see, not at all.... Nope thats not right but I'd still say practise rolling predominantly with your legs ... It's good practice

    Maybe he's just trying to get you to appreciate legs more
     
  12. aceboogie

    aceboogie New Member Full Member

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    Nicolino Locche
     
  13. Big N Bad

    Big N Bad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    thanks, i found his name shortly after via boxrec...benitez - antonio - locche
     
  14. SteveThePirate1

    SteveThePirate1 New Member Full Member

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    The thing to do is this: Recognize that you can use old fighting techniques because they worked! But also recognize that you are learning new tools! These tools can save you one day. You use the appropriate tools for the appropriate situation.
     
  15. StillWill

    StillWill Dr. Eisenfaust Full Member

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    learn what your new trainer is saying, you can always go back to what you know its better to not be a one dimensional fighter who knows you may like the new way better