Henry Armstrong at 130lbs

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Manassa, Dec 28, 2012.


  1. Rex Tickard

    Rex Tickard Active Member Full Member

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    ...but succeeds in limiting Mayweather's own output, and by doing so made it a close and competitive fight. IMO, that fight provides more of an argument for Armstrong over Mayweather rather than vice versa.

    Remember also that Barney Ross was a very skilled technician and counterpuncher, but could barely do anything with Armstrong.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    What costs him this .5 out of interest?

    I think Saddler could fight him.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think Mayweather would lose on points, just lose. I don't think he would get beaten up and I think he might even make Hank look daft once or twice, but he just isn't going to win 7 rounds of a 12 round fight. Engine too good, punches too hard, too many punches.
     
  4. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Armstrongs' tendency to mistake peoples balls for speed bags?
     
  5. Manassa

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    Because he's not Roberto Duran ;)

    Duran was slightly less a physical beast but more tricky - he'd rate 9.5/10 also - with me reserving a higher number for anyone better who comes along.
     
  6. Surf-Bat

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    This. Sandy was an even more skilled fouler than Zivic!:smoke

    All joking aside, Saddler has the strength and punching power to whack Armstrong good. He might beat Hank. I also wonder how Armstrong would have handled a series of whacks from Terry McGovern or Aurelio Herrera, both of whom could take a man out quick.
     
  7. Theron

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    Yes Sadler could fight him but i don't see Sadler doing well with all that pressure, Willie Pep as well wouldn't be that great with it because he would find himself defending the whole night and if he had to do those movements he did so very well a lot more often it would tire him out, Duran may have a shot i guess because of his great defense obviously not as great as Peps but Duran has power and great infighting skills all though infighting with Armstrong is not a good idea so i see him being beaten as well...
     
  8. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

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    I couldnt pick anyone with much confidence to beat Armstrong at 130. Crazy workrate.
     
  9. Manassa

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    I think Armstrong was a more unstoppable force than Saddler in any shape. There would be absolutely no compromise and he would march forward and I just think Saddler would be lost in all that. Zivic was bigger than them both and caught Armstrong at the end of a very hectic schedule where he was fighting nearly once a month and well above his best division (his opponents in '39 and '40 were averaging, let's say, 144lbs - in '36 and '37 they were about 130lbs). That first Zivic fight was close, and in the second he was blinded - I'm not making excuses, I just don't believe those fights were the best representation of Armstrong at 130lbs and under.

    Sometimes I think Armstrong is much appreciated for his record but undermined as a head-to-head beast - which he clearly was. Saddler was a terror in his own right, but to my knowledge, he struggled much more than Armstrong did when the opposition got heavier. He enjoyed a healthy physical advantage at featherweight that didn't carry through as many weight classes.
     
  10. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, Saddler's main strength was his size and physical strength at featherweight, which he used to bully the smaller guys there. Didn't quite translate the same way at 130/135, but I think if he set his mind to it and trained appropriately, he'd still be a terror at 130.

    Not the guy to beat Armstrong though... too vulnerable to taking shots and will probably get overwhelmed by the end (though not stopped).
     
  11. Rex Tickard

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    Saddler had problems with shorter men who hustled him at close quarters. He stood too upright and was vulnerable to looping overhand punches. Look at how much success Charley Riley had with him on the inside, for example:

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    Paddy DeMarco also beat him by outhustling him at close quarters.
     
  12. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

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    Great point Rex. I hadnt seen that fight before either. If Riley had that much success swarming and fighting on the inside then Armstrong would have had even more success. Great scrap and if it wasnt for Saddler having such a good chin Riley could have won that on a few occasions.
     
  13. tezel8764

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    Barney Ross was not Slick & Black. :-(
     
  14. GPater11093

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    I think Arguello could bang him out, but it would be a freak occurance IMO. Think Alexis' uppercut would have a good bit of sucess on Armstrong but cant see Arguello consistently getting the range for it.

    Actually thinking about it, at 130lbs, Arguello started to become the complete technician we all love, I can see him making some room for them inside shots and landing some big ones. Really good fight now I really think of it.
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    I think below 135 there's only sweet pea I favour to beat him.

    I wouldnt list him at sfw as he never fought in the division.