Henry Armstrong the greatest fighter p4p of all-time ?

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  1. Joe E

    Joe E Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The first 3 weight champ.Great reply Dempsey.I never thought of that one.Hmm,this opens a new can of worms!Thanks.:think
     
  2. Street Lethal

    Street Lethal Active Member Full Member

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    Here’s what’s really awesome about Henry Armstrong. After he lost all his titles, he continued to win against top boxers: Willie Joyce (wins over Ike Williams, Lew Jenkins, Chalky Wright, John Thomas), Al Davis (wins over Tony Canzoneri, Tippy Larkin, Bob Montgomery), John Thomas (wins over Lew Jenkins, Willie Joyce, Maxie Shapiro), Sammy Angott (wins over Baby Arizmendi, Davey Day, Bob Montgomery, Lew Jenkins, Willie Pep, Ike Williams, and a draw with Beau Jack), Maxie Shapiro (win over Bob Montgomery), Tippy Larkin (wins over Willie Joyce, Billy Graham, Freddie Cochrane), Lew Jenkins (wins over Lou Ambers, Mike Belloise, Tippy Larkin, Bob Montgomery), Fritzie Zivic (wins over Charly Burley, Sammy Angott, Al Davis, Lew Jenkins), and Juan Zurita (win over Sammy Angott). He did all this rarely weighing more than a junior welterweight. Think about that. That is post-championship Armstrong. While he was champion he was a demon.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    I swear i'm not trying to wind anyone up, but he's another one that didn't fancy it with Burley.

    Though I think Armstrong would have beaten Burley at the time the fight was going to be made, but still, interesting. Anyway, to answer the question, no, I don't think it's sensible to have him ahead of Greb or Sugar Ray Robinson.
     
  4. Manassa

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    Indeed. I think Armstrong's three year streak is unbelievable.
     
  5. Manassa

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    **** knows. Let me reply tomorrow when I'm sober :rofl
     
  6. Street Lethal

    Street Lethal Active Member Full Member

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    I don't know how you can not have Armstrong ahead of Harry Greb.
     
  7. Street Lethal

    Street Lethal Active Member Full Member

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    Were you the one that posted the names on his resume to support your claim that he has the best resume? I have looked at his record and he does not have the best resume. Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, Henry Armstrong, Sugar Ray Robinson, and Julio Cesar Chavez all have better resumes. I don't know what it is about Greb that has got you so overly excited but he isn't up there with Robinson and Armstrong. He was great but he just gets inside the top 10.
     
  8. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What?? Walker, Tunney, Gibbions, Flowers, and others are about even are perhaps BETTER than Robinson imo.
     
  9. Street Lethal

    Street Lethal Active Member Full Member

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    Unfortunately for people who believe this we have footage of these guys.
     
  10. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah but apparently they are not as good as Meldrick Taylor, Hector Camacho, Edwin Rosario and Rocky Lockrdige :rofl

    But I'm sure Street Lethal is fair, they WOULD be on the level of Greg Haugen, Juan Laporte and Roger Mayweather :good
     
  11. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Walker??? ATG. He did REAL well vs the heavyweights and lightheavyweights. I cant say the same for Robinson. If he RELLY belive he could do well, he would have try again after Maxim. He never try again after loseing. I put Walker as a top ten pound for pound imo. Only Max Schmeling was able to blast Walker out of there.

    Flowers was a great middleweight champ. no film. But a good note for the record.

    Gibbions is other atg heavyweight and lightheavyweight that took Jack Dempsey the full 15 rounds. That has to add something to Greb's resume in compare to Robinson.
     
  12. bolo specialist

    bolo specialist Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He was thoroughly dominated by Robinson, & even peak for peak, he would've faced a heckuva challenge overcoming SRR's physical advantages combined w/ all-around talent.

    Regarding Armstrong's ranking, I typically rate him around #4-5 in the same company as Ezzard. I think he rates behind SRR, Greb, & Langford - even though he might've been just as great as any of them @his peak, I think his comparable lack of longevity @the top level puts him a notch below them.

    I do think Armstrong's win over Ross for the WW title, while weighing only a lb over 135 himself (which he was contractually forced to do by the Commission) may be the single greatest feat in boxing history.
     
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  13. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Armstrong has my vote, & I could not see him any lower than fourth, all-time.
     
  14. FThabxinfan

    FThabxinfan Active Member Full Member

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    Him at 3,I already had Ezzard first and SRR second.
     
  15. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think last time I did such a list that I had Henry second behind SRR.

    He’s arguably the most accomplished in boxing history in owning the titles from 126-147 (when there were no junior divisions) and fighting to a draw for a version of the middleweight crown to boot.
     
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