Henry Armstrong vs Tommy Hearns @welterweight

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Who wins and how

  1. Armstrong KO

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  2. Armstrong TKO

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  3. Armstrong UD

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  4. Armstrong SD

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  5. Hearns KO

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  6. Hearns TKO

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  7. Hearns UD

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  8. Hearns SD

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  9. Draw

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Who would win this fight? Could Hearns outbox Armstrong or would Armstrong mow him down?
     
  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I feel Hearns would KO Armstrong, Leonard was able to start coming forwards against Hearns because of his glove positioning defensively deflecting blows plus his power and chin. Armstrong slipped punches well but trying that coming forwards vs a fast long puncher like Hearns is mad, Armstrong was a sharp volume punching he didn`t put full force, speed and zip into punches the way Ray did and he didn`t take punches ever from a puncher like Hearns although he did take Ray Robi`s punches Hearns hit even harder Robi if you discount the brilliantly timed Fullmer KO.
     
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  3. JohnThomas1

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    SRR carried him.

    I agree Hearns might well stop Hank. He's much bigger and will ko the vast majority of welters he can hit cleanly.
     
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  4. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed. Not many are going to beat the motor city cobra at WW, srr and srl.. but not hank and it's a bad style matchup for him..
     
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  5. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Hearns by decision. Too big, too tall, too much power to go along with elite speed. I could see a late stoppage as well. Hank was an awesome fighter but perhaps `47 against Hearns just not his night.
     
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  6. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Its' Hearns early or Armstrong late. I'd pick the first one.
     
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  7. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hearns by knock-out. Probably early. Short pressure fighters were tailor made for Hearns, esp when considered Armstrong's best fighting weight was probably below welter weight.
     
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  8. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Armstrong is clearer the greater p4p but head to head this would be ugly for Armstrong. The size difference would have made it all but impossible for Armstrong to get inside and do his best work. Hearns would catch Armstrong coming in and nobody could survive that repeatedly. But Hearns had the skill to keep Hank at armslength and outbox him so I pick Hearns by a wide, unanimous decision.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This is the hardest fantasy fight to properly appraise in my opinion.
     
  10. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    This.
     
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  11. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Why's that?
     
  12. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Have to go with Tommy. Henry is greater p4p, but Tommy is much bigger and has all of the stylistic advantages.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Prime Armstrong is close to unknockoutable I think, and Hearns punches hard enough at the weight to knock out almost anyone, which is your first problem.

    Hearns is by better than anyone who tried to fight Armstrong at distance, while Armstrong is by far better than anyone that Hearns fought inside (barring Duran where he wasn't tested).

    Armstrong is as adept at executing his style as anyone who has every lived; Hearns is a very special boxer - nobody ever succeeded in keeping Armstrong out and nobody ever succeeded in swarming Hearns into pure retreat.

    Armstrong is probably at a very minor stylistic advantage but is by far the greater fighter.

    Horrible nightmarish mix of problems.
     
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  14. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great pot. I enjoyed that explanation. I would only take issue with one sentence. I think Henry is at a major, rather than very minor, disadvantage in that he was about 7" shorter and a good 10lbs naturally lighter without a speed advantage to negate it. And I don't think there's ever been a boxer who was 'by far greater' than Tommy Hearns. There have been greater, and Henry is one, but not by that much of a margin, imo.
     
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  15. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If the bell rings for round 7, Hearns would be dead meat