Henry Clark 'The West Coast Cassius Clay'

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  1. Azzer85

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    And then Henry vanished into obscurity while Cassius Clay showed the world why he was and is the greatest of all time.

    If Henry was as good as you state, even without an Ali fight, surely he would have established himself, but he never did

    Thats why we dont talk about Henry Clark in Thrilla in Manilla, Henry Clark in the Rumble in the Jungle, Henry Clark upsetting Sonny Liston, Henry Clark winning the title 3 times etc
     
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  2. Lord Tywin

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    Eddie Jackson
    Floyd Patterson
    Jim Fletcher
    Eddie Machen
    Charlie Powell
    Elmer Rush
    Willie Ray Richardson
    Ernie Shavers
    Sonny Liston
    Ken Norton
    And Boone Kirkman would argue that McMurray wasnt that difficult to fight, they all stopped him, most of them early.

    Steve Grant is really a guy you want to be holding up as proof of Clarks greatness. He was undefeated when they first fought but Im undefeated also. That and a few bucks might get me a happy meal at McDonalds.
     
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  3. ron u.k.

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    So let's see. Ali ducked Corletti,Spencer and Clark but took the easy options in Liston,Foreman and Frazier etc.
     
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  4. Senor Pepe'

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    Let's stick with the year of 1967.

    Otherwise, we can bring up how Larry Holmes defeated Muhammad Ali in the 'easiset' fight he ever had.

    Cassius Clay in 1966 and 1967, didn't duck anyone.

    He fought who he wanted and when he wanted. He had the 'power'.
     
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  5. Azzer85

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    Clay had the power and Henry clark didnt amount to ****

    Stop trying to hype a guy, who couldnt even hype himself.

    Actions speak louder than words, theres a reason why nobody gives a **** about Henry Clark or what he could have been. Hes just the Tyrell Biggs/Audley Harrison of the 60s
     
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  6. Lord Tywin

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    Oh, now you want to move the argument to 1967, and not 1966 as you started out with.

    You say he didnt duck anyone yet you continue to criticize and imply while ignoring that in 1966 and 1967 Ali was the heavyweight champion, a proven fighter who had multiple title defenses under his belt against several of the highest rated contenders and Clark, Spencer, and Corletti were completely unproven, unknown, and unpopular.

    Its akin to saying that in 2001 Shane Mosely ducked Miguel Cotto.

    One was at the top of the sport and fighting top rated fighters. The tomatoe cans you keep bringing up were at least a two tiers below him, maybe more, and had not established themselves sufficiently enough to be granted a title shot or even pretend to call out a champion.
     
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  7. Azzer85

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    Clay had the power and Henry clark didnt amount to ****

    Stop trying to hype a guy, who couldnt even hype himself.

    Actions speak louder than words, theres a reason why nobody gives a **** about Henry Clark or what he could have been. Hes just the Tyrell Biggs/Audley Harrison of the 60s
     
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  8. Senor Pepe'

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    Tuesday Night - March 14, 1967

    Memorial Auditorium - Sacramento, Calfornia

    The 'largest gate' in 15-years watched last night, as 'sensational' Henry Clark
    defeated 'Air Force Sergeant' Fred Lewis over 12-Rounds, in defense of his
    California State Heavyweight Championship.

    A sell-out crowd 'cheered', as 22 year-old Henry Clark (San Francisco) 'dazzled' the
    32 year-old veteran - Fred Lewis (now a Sacramento resident) with an assortment
    of lefts and rights, while showing a fancy footwork move called 'The Clark Bop'.

    The 6' 3" 210 lb. Clark, used his size to move the smaller 6' 0" 179 lb. Lewis, around
    the ring, while winning an 'easy' 12-Round Decision.

    Henry Clark was penalized '2-points' by Referee - Mario Ducchini, for several 'kidney punches' in
    Round 8.

    Scorecards;
    Referee, Mario Ducchini........8-1-3
    Judge, Al Martinez...............7-1-4
    Judge, Luis Gonzales............7-1-4

    Henry Clark improves to 11-3-2. His Manager, Joe Herman said that his fighter would take
    on Eddie Machen next.

    Fred Lewis, an Air Force Sergeant, falls to 23-5-1. Lewis, who was in the U.S. Air Force
    from January 1960 thru August 1966, had returned with '6-straight' wins, including (5 KO's).
    The 32 year-old was hoping a victory here would send him into a possible 'heavyweight
    championship' bout with Cassius Clay for sometime in the Summer of 1967.
     
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  9. Lord Tywin

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    Lets put this in perspective. Clark beat a 32 year old light heavyweight who had just gotten out of the military. Then calls out Eddie Machen, who was coming off a loss to Joe Frazier and was being called upon to retire. You read that right. Clark actually actively pursued a fight with Machen. But he was ducked by Ali. He didnt go after Frazier (who was still an up and comer), he went after the 35 year old Frazier beat to pieces. But it was everyone else who was scared of Clark.

    For the record that "largest gate" in Sacremento in 15 years amounted to only $15,000. Not even one tenth of the purse that Ali got for Brian London. The crowd was less than 5,000. Suffice to say that if Ali wanted to fight Clark in Sacremento he was going to have to take a slight pay cut.

    By the way, this is the same light heavyweight Fred Lewis who six years later at nearly forty knocked out that other phenom, Eduardo Corletti. Lewis had lost his last four fights, one of which was a split decision to none other than Henry Clark. I guess Clark was so busy being ducked by everyone that he felt it necessary to keep busy with another meaningless victory over an older, more faded version of the light heavyweight he defeated five years earlier.
     
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  10. Legend X

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    I don't think Audley Harrison is anywhere near worthy of being mentioned alongside Tyrell Biggs ... or Henry Clark.
     
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  11. Senor Pepe'

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    March 28, 1967

    Memorial Auditorium - Sacramento, California

    Henry Clark (22 year-old) slapped the faded veteran Eddie Machen in every round,
    enroute to a shut-out 12-Round Decision, in defending his California State Heavyweight
    Championship.

    The 210 lb. Clark, scored with 'powerful' left hands, as he knocked the long time
    contender all over the ring. The 199 lb. Machen, could not score with a single telling
    blow, and Referee - Mario Ducchini asked 'Fast Eddie' several times if he wanted to
    continue.

    Henry Clark, still the California State Heavyweight Champion, improves to 12-3-2.

    The 34 year-old - Eddie Machen who dropped to 50-10-3, stated, that he will now
    look to find another line of work.
     
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  12. Sister Sledge

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    :lol::rofl
     
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  13. Lord Tywin

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    Actually it wasnt a shutout. It was scored 8-1-3, 9-1-2, 7-1-4. The AP said "Machen made a go of it for seven rounds, then the 22 year old Clark, who was defending the state title he won last January, took charge in the eighth and won going away."
     
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    Oakland Tribune (March 29, 1967)

    Henry Clark stalked throughout, and Eddie Machen was on the complete defensive.

    It was an 'easy' decision win, as Clark knocked Machen all around the ring with powerful left hands.
    Henry controlled every round, and turned it on when he wanted.
    Machen offered only a token offense in '2' Rounds, otherwise it was all Henry Clark.

    Referee Al Martinez asked the 'fading veteran' if he wanted to continue after Rounds 9 and 10.
    Machen nodded yes, and was allowed to resume at the beginning of each round, but was
    watched carefully by the concerned referee.

    Referee, Al Martinez
    Judge, Luis Gonzales
    Judge, Mario Ducchini
     
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  15. Lord Tywin

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    I repeat:

    It was scored 8-1-3, 9-1-2, 7-1-4. The AP said "Machen made a go of it for seven rounds.

    Why was this guy who according to you had champions and contenders running from him picking on corpses like Machen?

    Machen lost his last three fights and for how great you think Clark was Machen did the best against Clark out of the three.
     
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