Henry Wharton vs. Nicky Piper

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Early 90's at super middle, both men in their primes with their experience roughly equal.

    Do you go with the Welshman's advantages in physical stature and brainpower, or the Yorkie's superior chin and nonpareil left hook? :think
     
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  2. Decy

    Decy Barely Coherent Full Member

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    Wharton by stoppage I think he's just that better than Piper.Nicky would beat him in a quiz though.
     
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  3. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hard to see past Wharton with THOSE left hooks to body and head.
     
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  4. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    For all his limitations, Wharton had world class power and a chin...

    Piper looked good until the Cat got hold of him. He did put up some brave performances in there after when he dipped his toe into world class. But Wharton was at a level that Piper struggled with.
     
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  5. jarama

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    I think Piper would have beaten Wharton on pts, just though, in a struggle, only if Piper can have the stamina to keep him at distance. I think Piper was a lot better than people think he was.
     
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  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Cheers lads.

    I think it a juicy enough match-up, where you can easily convince yourself of an outcome either way looking at certain performances or attributes of each man.

    Hard to say if there's much separation in levels between them, since both peaked about the same place - shy of world (not that plenty of grey area doesn't exist between there and merely 'domestic').

    I did a quick Google search before making this and was surprised to find nobody in any boxing forum, so far as I could tell, has ever dreamed this one up. I'm glad to break new ground but also puzzled. It seems an obvious what-if to ponder, given the similarities of circumstance (both about the same age, both had careers spanning more or less the exact same time, in adjacent or the same weight class, obtaining identical titles and some of similar prestige, and both just missing a bit to get over the hump...not to mention the shared experience of losing to a prime Benn...) and it was entirely plausible to have taken place, at least near the start of the decade. Even later on it wouldn't have been unthinkable for Wharton to quickly jaunt up to 175 - and indeed he did, a couple of times.
     
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  7. Tancred

    Tancred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wharton ud piper hears the final bell
     
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  8. lencoreastside

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    Surprised youre interested in this 'hypothetical' match-up really. Neither was great, but Piper was really poor. Very stiff wooden not much power. I actually could'nt figure out why he even was a boxer - cos he had loads of other options. Wharton was a bit beter in fairness. :thumbsup
    The only reason they lasted with Benn was physical size.
     
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  9. Bulldog24

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    Piper would've beaten Kronk's Barber if not for looking out the ring at the end and being caught.
     
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  10. TBooze

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    Piper would of kept his unbeaten record if he chose not to fight some late sub Journeyman...

    If my Uncle was my Auntie...

    **** happens. For someone who was so smart, he sure made a stupid decision there!
     
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  11. Ryan the Lion

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    Piper wouldn't hear the final bell. Athough Piper would control the first half of the fight with his left hand and would have a comfortable lead, but Wharton would always be in it. In the second half of the fight Piper would start to tire, especially the late rounds were he would fade badly and get careless dropping his guard then Wharton would KO him with the left hook in brutal fashion.
    Wharton KO IMO.
     
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  12. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    I like Wharton in this one.
     
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  13. Serge

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    Piper was a hard puncher. Leeonzer Barber said ''He has a lot of juice in his shots'' during the post-fight interview of their fight. Piper was actually doing really well in that fight. Barber's eye was grotesquely swollen and it was only a matter of minutes before the doctor would've pulled him out. Unfortunately for Piper he got caught with a peach of a left hook and his dream of becoming a world champion was cruely snatched away from him.

    Carl Thompson was just way too big and powerful for him.

    There was no shame in losing to a 34-0 Michalczewski or a prime Benn either.

    His only other loss was on a razor close decision against Crawford Ashley (who was a good fighter and could punch himself) in a real war of attrition.

    Wharton was one of my favourites when I first started getting into boxing seriously. He froze against Benn (another favourite of mine). He basically gave away the first six rounds from what I recollect of it. That left hook of his was nasty. It was a real thumping shot with a lot of sheer brute force behind it. I loved the one he finished Mauro Galvano off with, who lasted the distance against Benn a couple of years earlier and even hurt him badly in the dying seconds of the final round. I smacked right into the middle of Galvano's face with a loud thud and dropped him hard. Galvano just sat on the canvas with a sickened look etched across his face as blood poured out of his nostrils.

    I think Piper would give Wharton a really hard fight before getting dropped with a big left hook in the late rounds and then finished off shortly afterwards. But I do also think people are selling Piper a little short here. He was a good fighter and I think Wharton would have his hands full with him. Piper was definitely better suited to 175 than 168 as well. I wouldn't be surprised if it went the full route and was razor-close either though.
     
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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Wharton's big left hook

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    Not one of his best performances here though. Floored for the only time in his career.

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    Barber vs Piper. Look at the state of Barber's eye at the finish.

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  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Another demonstration of Wharton's crushing left hook power - vs Sam Storey.

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