Heorl Graham.......Where does he rank?

Maybe I am, maybe im not. But you gotta be harsh in here sometimes when everyone is being harsh on you. Everyone is hating on Jacobs just cos I said Grahm is on a par with him, so you gotta fight fire with fire when the buggers try to grind you down:bbb

 

Yeah, Lindell Holmes name just rolls off the tongue when talking about the greatest fighters of any era, eh?:nut

 

but he was good enuff to hang with the best of his era.

he lost close fights to mccallum and the guy u call average sumbu kalambay. atsch he was beating jackson until being nailed and he was even beating brewer at 38 yrs old before being stopped.

in the cold light of day they both got as far as european titles.

but the truth is that graham was a genuine world top 10 fighter and jacobs was just really only a solid european champion and no more than that. :thumbsup

 

Jacobs was quick and had a fine technique, good bodypuncher as well but his chin and lack of power made him fall just short at the highest level. I used to appreciate watching him fight though.

 

...didnt Collins come back from America after losing a close decision to McCallum and a home town decision to Reggie Johnson and beat Eubank twice and stop Benn so yes I could see him being competitive, probably even winning against Graham..I mean, where does that leave Benn, Eubank, Watson who nearly killed each other trying to keep the title in Britain...

 

Ha ha! So do I. I think the ref was being over protective. I don't think Graham grasped why the fight was over.

 

he lost wide to mccallum.

barely won a rd in that fight. :roll:

graham would have outboxed him in 89.90 i think. :bbb

 

well to be honest. he lost a close fight that could of swung either way mcCallum
gave a boxing lesson to jackson
and was beating brewer very very badly till the ref stopped the fight (it was a bit premature but still he took 6 shots unanswered)

also he was a junior middle for the mcCallum fight
middlewieght for jackson
and super middle for brewer.

now i know few boxers who can only lose once to regarded the man of each division.

it was the way the cookie crumbled.

 

I love the way you skirted over what really happened in the jackson fight! & how he was beating Brewer very badly!! Not to mention how the fight with Mike could have went "either way"

man, Im outta this argument, as it seems more like a Herol appreciation thread than an honest look at his career achievements, which the thread was supposed to be.

Once again, Dunkys the bad scottish guy cos he dared to compare an english nearly man to a scottish nearly man! Really, some of you englanders need to get over yourselves sometimes. Look back at what I said earlier with a cool head, was it that offensive? Of course it wasnt. In fact, it is I who feels offended for everyone trying to take away from Jacobs achievements, which as I correctly pointed out, compare with Grahams.

 

herol graham with time is generally starting to be overrated on here.it could be argued that every time he stepped up to real world class he got beat.kalambay twice,mcCallum,brewer and of course jackson.his best wins are against kalule who if i remember correctly hurt him badly,perennial journeyman lindell holmes and domestic operators kaylor,cooke and price.his only thing in favour over jacobs is that he probably stepped up to fight at world level more often.i can't stand the brendan ingle style but to be fair he was the best exponent of it by far,mainly because unlike others he had great balance.to suggest he belongs in the 10 greatest british fighters of all time is plain unadulterated nonsense.there are probably more than half a dozen middleweights alone who were better.harvey,mcCavoy,turpin,minter,finnegan,sibson,benn and eubank

 

oh ffs dunky.

your wrong on this.

graham was genuine world top 10 and your boy was at best a european champion.

 

Not saying it's representative of Graham but had to stick it in.

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This kind of post is exactly what has made me want to stop posting on this thread, its turned into a Herol celebration thread, as I have already said.

Why am I wrong HH? Cos I dont agree with you? Thats the only reason I can see for me being wrong, as my argument stands up to the closest of scrutiny.

Listen buddy, you have to be prepared for people to disagree with you in here, this aint like the other forums where big friendly cliques rule.

Its time you grew up as far s this argument is concerned. Oh & before I go, you said Jacobs was nothing more than a european champ. But think about it, when Jacobs fought the best Whittaker & McGirt, he went the distance. Did Graham when he fought the best?

As I say, I gave Graham his respect & said earlier on I conceded he was the more naturally talented fighter than Jacobs, but you CANNOT argue that both are not on the same level. All this Graham all time british great stuff? Misty eyed nostalgia has taken a grip. Take a look at the cold facts. AGAIN. Like I said before. & before that. & before that.

Oh & sorry for telling you to grow up earlier in the post, cos I dont even know what age you are! Sometimes I can be presumptious. Prove me wrong.

Right, encore over. Dunky has now left the thread.

 

That was a fine post Ron, you knocked it on the head. Graham was a fine fighter, & a naturally more gifted fighter than Gary Jacobs IMO. In fact, I would even say Herol Graham was on the same level talent wise as Sugar Ray Leonard, but his chin let him down. However, some people here dont seem to have the capacity for a proper debate, they just want to elevate fighters who they liked to legendary status, to suit their own arrogant agendas.

damn, didnt I say I was outta here?atsch

man, you gotta laugh here sometimes, or else you'll cry.