Here goes some original Jeet Kune Do for anybody

Patented? No, they're not. However, they are stressed. What is the primary attack in JKD? A sidekick to the opponent's lead leg. Why? Because it is the closest target. What's the 2nd? Finger jab to the eye.

By themselves, maybe not. Throw in the fact that sugarngold is an experienced bjj practitioner, and the brief agony may be the difference in him securing a fight ending submission.

Filthy animal? Spiteful *****? You are acting like this is a sporting contest. sugarngold is all about self defense. He doesn't go out and pick fights with people. That would be acting like a "filthy animal." These rough tactics would be used against a violent attacker, not some guy looking to arm wrestle.

In regards to escalating in these tactics after being bitten, poked in the eye, and/or whatever; that doesn't mean the other person would get to retaliate. There is no ref to break up a street fight. A "dirty move" could be all the difference in the world when it comes to fighting.

 

well that would mean his jiu jitsu won him the fight. take away his jiu jitsu knowledge and hes just a guy looking to bite someone or bend some fingers

no im acting like a guy that lives in the real world, where there is consequences and repercussions for you actions.
try saying to a judge "oh its cool judge, i only ripped that guys eyes out because he threw a punch at me" :roll:

technically your right it COULD be... As in i COULD win lotto..
but its not very likely against someone with legit combat experience

 

theres a reason that the early 'vale tudo' (no rules) events didnt turn into a mess of eye gouging and groin shots. and that was both fighters knew that it was unlikely to be the catalyst for a win. they also realised that if they did take it there then they had to expect it in return which is a built in deterrent. occasionally it did go this way but usually as a last resort and rarely with any cumulative success

 

JKD is about trying a bunch of stuff, trying to use it in live situations against a resisting opponent, seeing what (perhaps few) techniques work for you and then perfecting them. That ****ing dumb vid is just some stupid flashy choreography. There's NOTHING wrong with JKD and maybe nothing wrong with that guy's gym, but that vid is pure crap. I'm embarrassed that it has the label JKD on it.

As for the "martial art vs sport" thing, do you guys not realize how totally ****ed out that discussion is? Seriously, this is the 1 trillionth time. If you practice praying ****** bird kung fu as alivly as thai boxers and judo guys train, you can make the argument that given equal athletic ability you'll be just as well off if not better (if you must play the "dirty tricks" or "pressure points" card) but if you don't (and be honest, most don't) then you probably won't get the chance to do dirty/spinning anything before you get clocked by a guy who trains realistically. THE END.

 

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Exactly, I've only boxed for about a year and a half now but there is one guy I know who does some sort of TMA at a local leisure centre, he's been doing WingChun or whatever it was since he was pretty young and he came to boxing one time to try it. We were only doing some light sparring because he was new and I was going pretty easy on him but even at that I could land shots pretty much at will, he didn't have any sense of defense and was wide open to be hit. If it was a real fight or hard spar I have no doubt I would have handled him with ease. He never came back after that

Now obviously there might be some guys from JKD, Wing Chun etc. that are good but from my one experience and judging by what Primate says that's not really the case.

 

Like I said, I like some of the ideas that Bruce has after watching that documentary but the techniques, like most other similar martial arts are nonsense. I mean you don't really need special training to kick someone in the nuts and gouge their eyes do you? Thats why krav maga/MCMAP seems effective, it cuts out the bull**** and is pretty much some judo/BJJ throws and chokes combined with eye gouges and the like.

Proper eye gouges I mean, that eye jab in JKD is ****ing stupid. I mean just look at this...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJuD4OvAZLU[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nf3rUVypVg&feature=related[/ame]

and although it's not the eye jab crap, if you want a good laugh...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpjfxbcwJNE[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grL9uuvfF_o[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHXYZtS7mk[/ame]

That third one is pure gold

 

Aye...:conf

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTxHkSVVVTU[/ame]

 

No, they realized that eye gouging and groin shots would not appeal to those that care about their eyes and their testicles. Vale Tudo was a sporting contest that was ultimately trying to prove the best methods of fighting while keeping things civil. You may have a lot of spectators, but how many participants do you think you would have if fighters were leaving the ring blind, needing surgery on their balls, and missing a finger where someone bit it off? It was less mutually assured destruction, more let's not get too ****ing crazy here. We want this to be a recurring thing.

 

Forget all that ****. I just like the concept of poking someone in the eye. Without even watching those vids, I'm assuming they are showing variations of the finger jab. I've always thought that was a way to jam your finger on your opponent's face when you miss. You don't have to load up when you poke someone in the eye.

 

So, what's your point? I never said he was going around submitting people by bending their fingers.

I was discussing a similar subject with an attorney, and it all has to do with timing. If someone attacks you, and you happen to have a baseball bat accessible during this attack, you can hit and kill your attacker and get off on self defense. If someone kicks your ass and walks away, and you pick up a bat and follow and kill your attacker; you will be charged with murder.

So, if someone punches you and walks away; you would get in trouble if you find them and poke them in the eye. If you poke someone that attacked you in the eye, you should be just fine.

If it isn't likely, then why do so many fighters cower in the cage after an eye gouge or low blow. Some are experienced and looking to take advantage of a point deduction, but some are completely thrown off by what is a foul in a fight with rules.

 

So what's the best way to poke someones eye out. Do you use the index fingers, because Id imagine using the middle finger you'd get that extra bit of reach knowledge. Or do you use the thumb because the ....


Ahhh **** it I'll kick um in the nuts

 

I don't think they are all that effective as initial attacks. Most knowledgeable fighters would deflect them like they would a jab, or a kick to the stomach. Most males have a 6th sense when it comes to their nuts, as they are normally terrorized by their peers in this regard as early teens. I think pokes to the eye are done well when people are in clinching range, and the hands are open and near the face.

My brother, who did wrestle but was not a martial artist, used his thumb a lot in street fights. Not like a strike. He would grab someone's face while inserting his thumb into that person's eye socket. One time, he tackled two guys and held one down with his index finger in one guy's eye while punching the other guy in the face. However, these were not skilled opponents; and all 3 of them were drunk.

The inside leg kick seems to be great for finding someone's groin.

 

Well nobody was terrorizing my nuts when I was a young lad...so basically what you are saying is that with JDK developed a 6th sense by taking repeated groin shots on a regular basis, thus enabling them to defend such an attack at a random encounter. That's genius, why didnt I think of that

I know what you mean about the thumb strike when drunk, Ive witnessed it myself. Once my mate was really hammered and he needed to sneeze. And in the split second it took to realise he needed to go, he thought it would be awfully funny if he sneezed greenies on someone else

So in the act of cocking head head back to let out some quality boogers over the person sat next to him, the person in question put his hand out as he didnt want to be a human kleenex. But of course as the sneezer began to **** his head forward, he caught the thumb of the person who he intended to sneeze on. It was like the opening stanza of O'Hara v Lee, the hand went forward with the reactions of a cat and the precision of inspector Clouseau doing a Three Stooges impression

I laughed all the way to the hospital

I really yearning for Mike W's input...on this topic. He's ESB's foremost eye gouging expert.

 

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No, I did not say JKD practitioners have a 6th sense. Men do in general. That's why women are taught not to expect it to be easy to just hit a male attacker in the nuts. Also, I'm not all that big a fan of JKD techniques as a whole. I'm more a fan of the philosophy. Who was the first person to start trolling in this thread?

Getting gouged by your uncle's ***** doesn't count.