Here we go, Chuck may go to war with UFC

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  1. thebrodstar

    thebrodstar Active Member Full Member

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    "No one is going to tell [Liddell] when he’s going to stop fighting," says John Hackleman. Photo courtesy of MMA Ring Report.) In his prime, he was a Destroyer of Worlds. But the Chuck Liddell we saw lose to Mauricio Rua at UFC 97 earlier this month was so deteriorated that retirement talk was inevitable. Liddell's footwork was achingly slow, and Rua proved that the holes in the Iceman's defense could be punctured even after Liddell had spent months trying to patch them up. (Though maybe not.) These facts were clearer to Dana White than anyone else. Directly after the event, White announced that Chuck would absolutely be retiring from the sport, profits be damned. Later, he promised "a ****ing war" if Liddell refused to hang up his gloves, ostensibly because he didn't want to see his longtime friend permanently injured.
    Well, Chuck hasn't retired yet. And Dana might get that ****ing war after all.
    Here's what Liddell's longtime trainer John Hackleman told AroundtheOctagon this weekend:

    “Chuck can do whatever wants to do. It’s disappointing. He lost to a great champion and that’s no reason to retire. His record is no indicator to retire. He’ll retire when he’s lost the desire to fight or he’s getting hurt. He’s fought 100 times and only been knocked out twice...no one is going to tell him when he’s going to stop fighting...

    A lot of people thought Randy Couture was done at heavyweight and he went to Light Heavyweight and won a title. He lost to Chuck a couple of times then they said he was done again and he went to heavyweight and won another title. It’s up to Chuck...

    If it went to court you can’t stop someone from their livelihood. If he’s under contract with the UFC they have to give him a fight or if they don’t they have to let him go. They just can’t say you aren’t going to fight. Chuck is still under contract and they have to give him a fight or let him go.”
    It doesn't seem like many people are talking about this aspect of the recent Chuck Liddell saga, so I just wanted to reiterate: Liddell's forced retirement may primarily be due to Dana White's concern for his friend's health, but the UFC has Chuck over a barrel, legally speaking, in the same way that they tied up Randy Couture in 2007-2008. Because he has one fight left on his UFC contract, Liddell is currently unable to compete for another MMA organization. If the UFC lets him fight one more time, then he's free to leave them and make money for one of the UFC's rivals. To prevent this situation, the UFC is simply choosing to not give him that last fight.
    The end result is Chuck Liddell being shut out of making a living as a fighter. (Remember, you can be released from your UFC contract if you decide to completely retire from the sport, but if you ever emerge from retirement, you still have to honor whatever was left on your contract when you left it; otherwise, you'll need a good lawyer and a year to spend in court.) I'm not saying it's a wise move for Chuck Liddell to continue competing at this point. But when it comes down to it, retirement should be his choice, and Dana White's effort to kick him out of the sport feels ethically problematic, and partially motivated by business interests.
    If Chuck goes the stubborn route, I think he'll see his buddy-buddy relationship with Dana turn sour in a hurry. Because as much as DW doesn't want to see Chuck get knocked out again, he really doesn't want to see the Iceman headline a card for Strikeforce.
    (BG)
    http://www.cagepotato.com/dana-white-angel-mercy-or-hostage-taker
     
  2. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Chuck should be allowed to decide whether or not he wants to continue fighting. Sounds like he's going to end up frozen out of the sport by the UFC.

    Thanks for posting.
     
  3. thebrodstar

    thebrodstar Active Member Full Member

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    I think he should be allowed too, I don't know if I can endure another couture vs UFC for 14 months or however long it was. If Chuck has a fight on his contract they will have to honor that, so hopefully they are forced to either **** or get off the pot.
     
  4. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    If Liddell insists on fighting again - White will probably relent and put him on a card somewhere. Chuck still sells no matter what. Hell - if they sold it as a retirement fight like Terry Funk or Julio Cesar Chavez used to do - it would sell through the roof.
     
  5. OuterDrake

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    he's been ko 3 times for the record.

    He still denies the Page ko I see
     
  6. BUDW

    BUDW Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In 8-10 years he will be in diapers and drooling if he keeps fighting.
     
  7. Vitor Belfort

    Vitor Belfort Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There's affliction and and he can make more money there. If dana is forcing him to retire much like what that dumbass did to shamrock then liddell should go to affliction. That would pissed off white for sure.
     
  8. Nuke

    Nuke Full Length Member Full Member

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    Just one more example of Dana White being a ****. When will these fighters learn? They all should just band together and not resign when there contracts are up.
     
  9. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Theyre ****ing letting Matt Hughes fight til he gets crippled why not Chuck?

    Matts been done since the 2nd GSP fight, he has done **** in his last fights. He was brutally (not 1 punch koed) brutally beaten by Alves.

    The real problem is Dana doesnt want to shell out another quarter Million to Chuck, who probably has very expensive hobbies he needed to maintain.
     
  10. HomicideHenry

    HomicideHenry Many Talents, No Successes Full Member

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    If guys like Tank Abott and Mark Coleman, from time to time, still get the phone calls to do an event or two, I dont see why not let Liddell fight, when he's certainly in better condition than either of those two men. I think his prime is done, though, and from now on it will be a slippery slope...but then again, punchers always has a chance.
     
  11. thebrodstar

    thebrodstar Active Member Full Member

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    I don't think thats the case, Chuck will make him more money than anybody could. It seems like some sort of tatic for white to hold him with one fight left. Maybe he does care about Chuck, and Dana has cut people for less. So maybe he really does care. I am still waiting for an angle though.....
     
  12. québecwarrior

    québecwarrior Georges 'Rush' St-Pierre Full Member

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    lol Dana must really care about Chuck's heatlth, but he really dont care about Coleman's health lol
     
  13. sitiyzal

    sitiyzal ................. Full Member

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    "In his prime, he was a Destroyer of Worlds." :lol:
     
  14. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Chuck Liddell was Galactus apparently.
     
  15. martin0792

    martin0792 The Golden Boy Full Member

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    As Dana White said, Chuck Liddell helped put his company on the map. I think he should fight on until he wants to stop, he was like Mike Tyson during the 80s he was tearing through everyone, but all good things come to an end. I'd advise him to retire but its up to himself.