Here's what I don't get about Calzaghe.

the other way round would be better, Jones then Pavlik.

 

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Maybe Calzaghe honestly believes that Roy Jones is the best fight for him, as he says in his interview Pavlik is on his way up, he thinks he is a good fighter and has a great future but right NOW this fight appeals to him....whether it is for the money or for the pride it's his choice.

As a Calzaghe fan, I would prefer him to fight Pavlik especially after what he said about Jones in his book but maybe Calzaghe doesn't rate Pavlik as highly as some boardies do on here at this moment in time....if that is the case then he has every right to go for Roy.

People say that Calzaghe has been mouthing off about fighting Pavlik and I agree that he has that he would like to fight him, but how many other boxers talk about fighting more than one other person after a fight...it happens all the time so I dont understand all this bull**** about ducking....he's been talking about the RJJ fight even more.

 

The people who claim Pavlik to be the obvious choice from a legacy point of view, seem to do so from an assumption that the only thing that can happen in future is success for Pavlik.

Presumably Joe is more realistic than the average ESB numpty and realises that Pavlik's current resume is impressive as it goes, but mighty thin, and could be affected greatly by just a couple of defeats.

Roy Jones has a name and a record. It would be reasonably likely that a fight with Calzaghe would be his last. In any case, the credit that would be achieved from beating him is a fairly consistent knowable amount.

Pavlik is another matter. The legacy value would depend greatly on what Pavlik did afterwards, not what he has done already. Calzaghe beats Pavlik, who then goes back to middleweight and unifies the titles, moves up to SMW and wins titles and then wins titles at LHW later in his career - massive credit from the win. Calzaghe beats Pavlik, who then back at MW takes on Abraham and loses, and has an unremarkable remaining career, scoring some spectacular wins, but a few other losses when people can take his power and find him capable of being outboxed - very little credit.

 

4 or 5 million to fight pavlik, or 6-8 million to fight jones? its a no-brainer.

 

calzaghes career decisions have always baffeled me. once he got some momentum going, he goes out of his way make an ass of himself again.

but i heard from people that calzaghe is just not a very bright person. he is just dumb........not in the sense that he acts like an *******, no.

he has just got a very low iq. kinda like forrest gump. and that is why his management has been able to **** him around like that.

so dont expect any smart moves on calzaghes part. he just dont know any better.

 

Has to be Pavlik before he vacates his 168 belts or the fight isn't worth as much commercially.

 

Yep. I've been trying to beat that into peoples brains. Taking Jones first would be an admission that this fight won't happen because the Pavlik fight won't bring the same money without the belts. No brainer.

 

I dont see how JC beating Pavlik enhances his record significantly. Pavlik's only achievement is beating the amazing J.Taylor twice! Wowwww lets put Pavlik in the HOF he can retire right now after that achievement.

 

Calzaghe no longer matters the Jones fight is good for his fans and regional supporters. But no one in their right mind views this as the best fight availiable or anywher near the excitement or drama of a Pavlik or Dawson showdown. Calzaghe fighting Jone is a sparring ehibition 10 yrs too late. Let Joe take the fight what we think here means nothing to him. Legends over there arent held to the level of scrutiny they are here. Great retire no one cares and his career will be forgotten soon. Provided us with nothing here.

 

I posted a link earlier that suggested Pavlik would be more money. No reliable numbers in that article. Where are you getting yours? Jones will command a larger purse share than Pavlik. THAT we do know.

 

still better than anything jc ever did.

who did he beat??? kessler??

okay, lets see: taylor held two wins over bernard hopkins.

and kessler?? oh yeah, that win over markus beyer:rofl

 

Pavlik has momentem and buzz. Jones is done.

 

It's not really a no-brainer, Joe is still Ring Champion at SMW and recognised number one, the fight sells itself.

I asked earlier, and weren't very clear whether you disagreed or were saying Calzaghe v Pavlik was a different scenario, would the following bouts have made more money if there had been a world title involved?

Hopkins v Calzaghe
Pacquiao v Barrera
Pacquiao v Morales

I don't think they would, therefore do not consider it a no-brainer that Calzaghe v Pavlik requires an ABC belt.