Here's Why The Resume Of P4P No. 1 Lomachenko Trounces Bud Crawford's By A Country Mile.

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Nah, Pac was sharp as ever, it was just Horn's style that threw him off, Horn's non stop frenetic movement was too herky jerky for Pac to properly time. He was coming off of beating Vargas and Bradley in dominant fashion, his speed was still there, stamina still there, Horn was just the better man,
     
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  2. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Son of Linares lol,worth reading just for that alone:aaaaa:
     
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  3. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nah Ellerbe wouldn’t do that surely?
     
  4. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Neither guy is an all-time great, there are none in boxing today. Lomachenko has had an impressive, yet overrated first 5 years. He has fought 5 world-class fighters.

    Salido
    Walters
    Russell
    Rigondeaux
    Linares

    Loss
    Fix
    Quality win
    all-but-a fix
    Quality win

    I taken nothing against the guy he's fun and a very good fighter, but he's a 30 year old with 12 fights, and unless they count Rigo's amateur career heavily, he has fought no one who will get into the the hall-of fame without buying a ticket. He has lost a fight, has been dropped lost another scorecard (I did not agree) and is best known for losing a guy who is now 39, and a guy who is now "Cuban-38", and for getting TKO against a guy who mysteriously never threw a punch, and has equally mysteriously, found a way to live on $300,000 (minus taxes in 2 countries) for two years now.

    In his "superfight" his opponent is an old man who hadn't fought in 2 years and moved up two weight classes.

    Wait.....WHUUT?

    To put things in perspective, Tyson Fury, who is in his late 20's is making a comeback against an Albanian cab-driver 80=lbs. lighter. Rigo did it against a top-5 P4Per.

    Crawford is undefeated against roughly the same level of competition, has never been down and has been doing it longer without the same hype and fanfare. Nothing against Lomachenko, again, he's just ridiculously overhyped as a pro, although his amateur career was incredible.

    In my lifetime I have seen 6 GREAT lightweights:

    Duran
    Whitaker
    Mayweather
    De La Hoya
    Mosley

    I think Chenko has a chance against Whitaker, although I would pick Pernell. He fight quite well against other hall-of-famers, Trinidad, ODLH, and Chavez IN THEIR PRIMES. The other four steamroll a soft-punching 5-6 guy. Sorry, just the way it is.
    VERY GOOD lightweights:

    Tsuzu
    Nelson
    Jose Luis Ramirez
    Buddy McGirt
    Meldrick Taylor

    I would take Chenko to beat all but Tsuzu and maybe Taylor but not with enough confidence to bet money. Ironically McGirt is the guy Linares reminds me of. Good fighter, but he never had a chance against Taylor or Whitaker, to give you an idea of the level of talent.

    Golovkin as one "draw" (as opposed to Chenko's loss, I had Canelo winning easily) but the record is what it is, and his last two opponents are a darn-spell better than anyone on Chenko's record. Canelo's one loss is against a sure-thing first ballot hall of famer, and has a "draw" against another one...at 27, so why isn't he #1?

    And for the third time, I am not a "hater" of anyone or particularly a fan of Crawford, although I like watching both. Crawford has just had a slightly better career but historically, neither has been all that unique. I don't particularly get excited about a guy who has lost to a tough-solid fighter with 14 losses and who's best opponent has now been knocked out 4 times.

    Sometimes it is what it is.
     
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  5. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And to be Sure Serge Linares did very well against Lomo,showed his class but Lomo is so far ahead it’s unreal,before the body punch I got the felling Linares had,had enough.
    Joe Rogan occasionally comes up with something good about boxing and he said about Lomo compared to Floyd that Lomo has both feet and hands working together like no other boxer we’ve seen,Floyd had the hands but could you compare his feet to Lomo?

    Ring generalship also goes to Lomo imo,ring generalship isn’t about moving up and down the ropes avoiding shots as that’s just reacting,Lomo if you’ve noticed likes to keep his opponents in the centre of the ring,circling em and inflicting damage,Floyd did this against Canelo but overall he played a defensive game as appose to Lomo.
    Crawford resume is not a good one so I’m surprised anyone would even try and argue that fact,it will be lost on Crawford fanboys that CST80 said his skill isn’t in doubt which is why he’s considered PFP in the first place which is why as Lomo was the favourite in his next fight against a guy at a new weight.
    That said right now after the Linares win it’s only right that Lomo should be considered no 1 and I’m pretty sure Crawford has said as much.
     
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  6. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    The elephant in the room with Gamboa is his decline hit right when he got popped in a massive PED scandal in early 2013 that implicated him for years of his career.

    I'm not surprised he dropped off afterwards and don't think its a coincidence.
     
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  7. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great read! Amazing the amount of work put into it, had a good laugh!
    Still, It won't convince anyone though as it's painfully obvious (for any sane individual) that Crawfords resume is the worst in top 15 p4p and people who thought Crawford had a better resume than Loma before reading your post will keep on thinking that no matter what, delusion at its finest.
    Crawford being anywhere near p4p top 3 is a big mistake.
     
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  8. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fair play,no shame in losing to Floyd but he lost badly to Floyd,wasn’t like Maidana who was competitive and whilst he was competitive against Golovkin he lost on every networks commentary teams and to be sure Kellerman and co are pro Canelo as were Box Nation who had even wider.
    Only in Canelo land where one has to look hard to find reasons to give Canelo rounds can you get it to a draw,anything more than that then I’d love to know where n how?
     
  9. drenlou

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    Nah, p4p just isn't about resume, it's also about skills and the talent of the fighter as well. Crawford fighting at WW will tell us more about how good he really is, but he's definitely number 2 p4p right now based off of what he's done so far.
     
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  10. Angler Andrew

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    No it’s not a mistake as regardless of resume you’d still have him favourite in his next fights.
    I happen to like both and it’s clear Lomo has the better wins but skill wise Crawford deserves to be up there.
     
  11. Angler Andrew

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    Someone gets it.
     
  12. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    Crawford is behind GGG aswell, let alone lomachenko.
     
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  13. Cafe

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    I don't know man if Pac struggles against something like that it says something about him for me as well. Either way, you could be right and Horn is just really good, I was actually impressed as well but I'm not gonna be sold on him off of that singular moment, if it was backed up by some other decent wins or it was Pac from a few years ago, yes but in this case, I need to see more. All depends how he does against Crawford or what he does after that.
     
  14. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    I like Loma, but I love to tell the truth and tear **** apart when a fighter has the most annoying fanbase.
     
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  15. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Very good post.
     
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