Herol Graham "Glass Chinned"

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  1. sas6789

    sas6789 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Seems like a lot of people say Herol Graham had a glass chin however the punch that Jackson caught him with i think would have knocked out about 80% of middleweights and his other two tko loses, as far as i can remember he wasn't actually knocked down against Brewer was he? And i haven't seen his other stopage loss so don't know the details of that one, and against Brewer and the other stoppage, he was arguabley past his best. He clearley wasn't iron chinned, but maybe saying he was glass chinned is overstating it a bit as well. Thoughts...
     
  2. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Graham had that reflex defence Ingle specialized in. When you got to a certain level that meant no matter how quick you were, you got caught with your head bolt upright. When that happened, you could have a Chavolesque chin and still go ever.

    Outside of KalambayI, when Graham's arrogance cost him, and KalambayII, where he was darn unlucky to drop the decision, Ingle's fundamentals cost him in all his other defeats, except for Brewster, when age finally caught up with The Bomber.

    Although not made of cement, Graham basically had a 'solid' chin, and a very good to excellent ticker...
     
  3. GazOC

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    Nah, nothing that wrong with Grahams chin. Not great but decent enough.
     
  4. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    David Tiberi wants a word...
     
  5. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Still not seen that fight TB. I remember Boxing News were going mad about it at the time though.
     
  6. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

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    But for a counted but unscored knockdown, and a fairly harsh point deduction Graham would have got the decision and his world title against the Bodysnatcher. Regardless of that, anyone who can go the distance with, and only drop a marginal decision against McCallum at least has to have a reasonable beard. He gooned Collins and basically took Watson apart directly after the Graham fight.
     
  7. TBooze

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    The problem was, Graham did his party trick against McCallum. And as funny as it is, you do not win boxing matches by throwing your opponent over your shoulder. Thus The Bomber did deserve the point deduction, and in a painfully close fight, the razor thin loss.
     
  8. sas6789

    sas6789 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I know it's pointless but i sometimes wonder where Graham might have gone had he never had the point deducted against McCallum or if he didn't get carless against Jackson.
     
  9. TBooze

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    The irony of a simple spelling mistake in careless...

    As for the what ifs?

    If he had edged McCallum well Watson/Benn would go a couple weeks later, so the winner of that was probably a given. If he had edged past Watson, then a Kalambay rematch would of been next on the agenda. If he had got past that then you were in the Toney et al era.

    As for beating Jackson, then Eubank had just beat Benn, so that is a fair bet. A rematch with McCallum would probably follow if he had beaten the ego.
     
  10. Legend X

    Legend X Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Who says he had a glass chin ?
     
  11. Box-Fan

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    If i can correct people, Graham wouldn't have beat McCallum but for the point deduction, it would have been a draw.
     
  12. Athenry04

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    Julian Jackson could ko a rhino, so I don't think appearing in the hawk's highlight reel means you got a china chin.
     
  13. sidthehat

    sidthehat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Does anyone know what other fights he got knocked down in? Seem to remember he did against Frank Grant when he looked a shell of himself.
     
  14. LiamE

    LiamE Boxing Addict Full Member

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  15. LiamE

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhJiWraKG3U[/ame]