Herol Graham underated?

No way he did enough to pass Calzaghe's achievements. Let's not get carried away. The fact of the matter is he's still more style than substance, legacy wise

 

That is bull****... appreciate you may be a big fan but part of been a great fighter is proving yourself to be the best in the world and for him to even contend the top spot in such a historically talent rich division he should have at least held some version of the world title.

Calzaghe, Benn and Eubank would never have lost to Sumbu Kalambay and despite pushing McCallum close I have a feeling that Calzaghe and a peak Benn would have been to much for McCallum.

Herol was fabulously skilled but he commited boxing suicide trying to go for the finish against Jackson when a clever, thoughtful approach would have seen him force a late injury stoppage. If he was a truly great fighter he would known this and not walked on to the right hand that sent his brains into orbit... Great fighters at their peak don't do things like that.

1. Benn
2. Calzaghe
3. Eubank
4. Collins
5. Graham/Watson
7. Rob Reid
8. Henry Wharton
9. Glenn Catley
10. Richie Woodhall

 

i disagree that graham was beating brewer more decisively.

i think calzaghe won 10 rds against brewer.

graham wasn't dominating like that in that fight.

i agree he only blew the one chance though.

and even that was against a freak of a puncher in jackson. atsch

 

:deal

I'd maybe have him above Collins though. On paper he doesn't deserve it, and I realise there is only so far you can take the 'But look at his skills' approach, but I do feel he was a superior fighter to Collins

No real arguments though

 

benn at no1. :roll:

 

Kalambay was a much better fighter than Benn or Eubank(and Calzaghe should be compared to lightheavyweights not middles he has fought over the middle limit for his entire career).he was better than any of the British middles of that era.

They both stayed well away from him for good reason.

 

The commentators put the mocker on Graham in the Jackson fight. They were already crowning him champion & lining up defenses when out of the blue came the KBANG left hook. Still one of the best single KO punches I've seen. Poor Graham, he was out of it for a week!

 

Graham was a top notch operator, trouble was, he didn't look in the mirror when defeated, he blamed his trainer!

They developed a style which made him brilliant, yet he was obsessed with proving how tough he was as opposed to just winning the fight - see the four round schooling of Julian Jackson, followed by the brutal KO against him!

Pretty much every guy who beat him was a big puncher, he should have had the ring savvy to be able to deal with punchers, and didn't - a great shame.

 

I take it you think that John Ruiz was a better fighter than Ken Norton then? And no I'm not a particularly big fan of Graham, but let's face it - Eubank has probably had more poor performance than good ones. People state that he was never the same after the 2nd Watson fight, yet wasn't he getting beaten very, very decisively before one punch turned the tide in the 12th? And this is forgetting the fact that the 1st fight was very close.

 

no, he was not underrated. Everyone knows what a good boxer he was and that for one reason ot another he never got a title.
Infact reading this thread, if anything he gets overrated these days.

 

It was the 11th that he turned things round... but still- ultimately he turned it round which is what great fighters do. Ruiz better then Ken Norton? How so? :?

 

Problem?

 

no that's alright.

 

I mean who'd put Calzaghe at the top?

 

Because Ruiz held a version of the world title and Norton didn't.