Herol Graham vs Joe Calzaghe prime for prime

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  1. Dunky McCafferty

    Dunky McCafferty Boxing Junkie banned

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    Who wins this one guys?

    Herol was as slippery an as eel a the peak of his powers & had a decent dig too, as he proved when he floored & hurt the current champion of the time Charles Brewer at the ripe old age of 38. Something a younger Joe calzaghe couldnt do some years later.
    Herol Graham was more avoided than the tv licence when he was at his peak, Benn & Eubank publicly admitted they wouldnt go near Herol.

    Joe Calzaghe isnt exactly easy to beat as everyone who has faced him will tell you, hes always had underrated boxing skills as well & done something that Herol Graham never did in his career, becoming world champion & then unifying the belts.

    So Graham v Calzaghe prime for prime, who wins & how?
     
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  2. TFFP

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    Calzaghe, by UD. "At the end of the day" Joe Calzaghe knows how to get the job done, and Herol didn't, for one reason or another.
     
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  3. LiamE

    LiamE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Graham would look good for a while till Joe figured him out and started picking up rounds relenlessly.

    Calzaghe UD 8-4 or so
     
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  4. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    Graham poses problems that would make Calzaghe look a bit silly at times but over the course of 12 rounds, Joe would increasingly get on top. Early doors, I'm sure Graham would get a bit of success but Joe's fitness and workrate will eventually pick up more and more rounds. Graham's hands by his waist tactic would not suit this fight although he would make Calzaghe miss quite a lot.

    The fight would have to be at 12 stone as Joe is also a big SMW while Graham's prime was MW. I just cannot see anything other than a Calzaghe points win here with Graham taking at least half of the opening 6 rounds.

    How do you see it Dunky?
     
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  5. Fat Joe

    Fat Joe Let's have it right Full Member

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    :yep I watched the Jackson V Graham fight yesterday in the General Forum. Somehow or other Calzaghe would get to him.
     
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  6. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    But you have to give Graham a slim chance due to the styles. Nothing more than slim though. Joe would get caught a few times but his chin is cast iron and Bomber's bombs weren't exactly atomic. Graham can't KO Calzaghe but neither does Joe punch hard enough to stop Graham.
     
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  7. Dunky McCafferty

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    hmm. its a tough question that, thats why I put the post in. You see, me & my mate are big boxing fans.
    & my mates father is a huge Herol Graham fan, & always talks him up.

    So we kind of got into a discussion about how Graham would handle the best of today, & thats when the name Calzaghe came about. So we discussed, & it got pretty interesting when we analyzed both fighters, strength & weakness wise.

    For instance, Graham is regarded as 'chinny' but in his prime I dont remember him being dropped much. Of course Julian Jackson KO'd him, but at the time Graham was playing with him & Jackson just threw a wild lucky punch, & that was the end for herol. However, at the time Jackson was considered the hardest puncher in the world P4P, so can anyone really say Graham was chinny cos a monster puncher managed to KO him? of course later in his career Graham would go down more often, but he was way past his best by then.

    As for Joe C, his strengths & weaknesses are debated on ESB most days of the week, thats why I am foucusing on Grahams attributes a bit more just now.
    However, analyzing Grahams career for the first time has made me realise hes a lot better than I hve given him credit for here in the past, & thats why I asked the question, cos it interests me to hear some opinions on the subject matter.
    I think its a fascinating matchup, prime 4 prime.
     
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  8. Fat Joe

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    Nice to see you on here at a relatively early hour Dunky. Normally you reply to the days posts rather than interacting - do you work weird shifts or something Dunky?

    I watched Graham V Jackson yesterday in the General forum - his feet seemed really fast, but like most Ingle fighters his hands were down low. Given Calzaghe's handspeed I'd think he would score a UD.
     
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  9. JonOli

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    How many real slick boxers have joe ever faced?
     
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  10. TFFP

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    Hopkins and Eubank.
     
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  11. onourway

    onourway Haye KTFO1 Wlad Full Member

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    Hopkins was a slick boxer 10 years ago. The Hopkins that Calzaghe fought was a mauler.

    Calzaghe's never fought a prime slick boxer, it would be uncharted territory.

    A prime fighter is pretty much uncharted territory for a fraud like Calzaghe, let alone a slick one.
     
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  12. Fat Joe

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    That's rich coming from a Hatton nuthugger.
     
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  13. JonOli

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    Neither are pure slicksters. Eubank could switch between styles, Hopkins is (especially when Joe met him) more Scientific then slick.
     
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  14. Dunky McCafferty

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    & thats what makes the original question interesting TFFP my good man, cos when Joe faced Eubank & then Hopkins, both were past their best. Hopkins was 43, & a pst it Eubank had to move down two divisions to face a younger fresher foe.

    As I say, Im not taking sides, cos I have argued about Graham here in the past & his fans got pretty nasty with me. So Im neutral on this one, it just so happened that I got into an interesting debate with some of my buddies about this matchup earlier on, & the deeper we looked into it, the more interesting it became... trust me, the deeper you look into their careers it throws up many questions.
     
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  15. onourway

    onourway Haye KTFO1 Wlad Full Member

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    Hatton's no fraud.

    Hatton went to america to force the biggest fights.

    By the time Hatton's retired, he will have fought P4P#3 Tszyu, P4P#1 Mayweather and P4P#1 Pacman.......what a fraud eh? :nut

    Calzaghe's best win is over an OAP. And now he's ducking a live challenge, to take on the shot (Calzaghe's word) RJJ.
     
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